Sex abuse scandal. Guess the religion?

[Ben Kenobi]

What else can this mean? You either have kids or you don't. Not yet means no.

There are other possibilities. I said not yet.

Knowing your beliefs, if you had a bun in the oven you would have considered it a kid from the moment of conception. SO what else could "not yet" possibly mean but no.

That is true. Not the case, unfortunately.

I never accepted your gift. I didn't play golf with your gift. I REALLY REALLY didn't want to say that in deference to the others that were involved since I do respect them.

Then why didn't you pm me? I would have understood fully. The gift was from all of us, because we appreciated the work that you did. If you felt uncomfortable accepting it, all it took was a simple pm, "thanks but no thanks."

I would have understood one hundred percent. I wasn't sure what had happened, which is why I kept bringing it up.

I did discuss it with JR and he understood and accepted by refusal.

JR did not discuss it with me. I had no clue until today what exactly had happened. I am sorry rah. I didn't mean to bring this up here, but I tried other means unsuccessfully.

It's bad enough that you're a fellow republican and there a few things that we actually agree on. Whenever we do agree now I have to look at myself and consider if I'm an idiot because of it. You give all republicans and all catholics a bad name and it makes me ashamed to be included with you in either group.

Well sure. But the feeling is not mutual, and I hope you understand this. Anyways, this is the last I'll speak of it. Thank you for finally telling me what happened and I appreciate your honesty.

[Asher]

I'll go you one further and offer to pay for the 19th hole.

Is that referring to the loser bending over for the winner after a full round of 18?

[Wezil]

Is that what it means in gay circles?

[Kidlicious]

Joke I heard the other day.

I rented a movie called 18 holes with Tiger Woods. Unfortunately it was about golf.

[Asher]

Is that what it means in gay circles?

I've seen this occur in many films.

[Wezil]

I always knew there was a reason I wasn't a golfer.

[Imran Siddiqui]

Joke I heard the other day.

I rented a movie called 18 holes with Tiger Woods. Unfortunately it was about golf.

[rah]

I bet they spent it on booze and whores.

Never BOOZE AND WHORES.


Never



Never



ok, maybe weed and strippers

[ColdWizard]

OK, it's all fixed now.

VATICAN CITY – The Vatican responded Monday to allegations that it had concealed years of clerical sex abuse by making it clear for the first time that bishops and other high-ranking clerics should report such crimes to police if required by law.

Victims have charged that the Catholic Church created what amounted to a conspiracy to cover up abuse by keeping allegations of abuse secret and not reporting them to civil authorities.

The Vatican has insisted that it has long been the Catholic Church's policy for bishops, like all Christians, to obey civil laws. In a new guide for lay readers posted on its Web site, the Vatican explicitly spells out such a policy.

"Civil law concerning reporting of crimes to the appropriate authorities should always be followed," the Vatican guidelines said.

That phrase was not included in a draft of the guidelines obtained Friday by The Associated Press. The rest of the guidelines follow previously known and public procedures for handling canonical investigations and trials of suspected abuse.

The Vatican offered no explanation for the addition.

Jeffrey Lena, the Vatican's U.S. attorney, has argued that there was nothing in the canon law that guides the church that precluded reporting.

"It's beyond dispute that the canon law does not mandate non-reporting," he said. "These guidelines may help clarify that point for people who are less familiar with canon law."

"The statement confirms what has been long known, that where the civil state creates an obligation to report, bishops like anyone else are required to examine the law and determine what they have to do to obey it," Lena told the AP.

None of the core public Vatican documents to be applied in cases of abuse direct bishops to report cases to police. Such implicit understanding of the need to follow just civil laws dates to a 1965 document from the Second Vatican Council, Gaudem et Spes.

In an agreement worked out with the Vatican, U.S. bishops made this their policy after the explosion of sex abuse cases in 2002.

The Rev. Davide Cito, a canon lawyer at Rome's Santa Croce University, called the publication of the policy in the lay guidelines "an important development."

"I'm very pleased," he said. "A Christian also has to follow civil laws. It's a Christian duty."

A Vatican spokesman, the Rev. Ciro Benedettini, said the reporting requirement had been the internal policy of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith since 2003. Asked how bishops were supposed to know of this internal policy, he declined to comment.

Pope Benedict XVI had told Irish bishops last month that they should cooperate with civil authorities in investigating abuse. But the guidelines mark the first time that such procedures for the universal church, in which bishops are explicitly told they should follow civil reporting laws, have been laid out publicly.

[Ecofarm]

Not fixed.

bishops and other high-ranking clerics should report such crimes to police if required by law.

How about "should report such crimes because they are horrible crimes that need reporting no matter what your own obligations might be".



That statement, to open, is so twisted and void of moral/ethical cognition... I'm not even reading the rest. I don't know what's worse - attorneys or priests... and now the RCC wants to be both. That's just great. They're multi-classing Pedo/Priest/Attorney; I really don't think I could hate anyone more.

[ColdWizard]

They're multi-classing Pedo/Priest/Attorney; I really don't think I could hate anyone more.

Pedo/Priest/Attorney plus any combination of Auto Mechanic/Politician

[Asher]

The enlightened Church strikes again.

http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE63B4TR20100412

Priest pedophilia not linked to celibacy: Pope's No.2

(Reuters) - It is homosexuality, not celibacy, that is linked to pedophilia, the Vatican's Secretary of State Cardinal Tarcisio Bertone said on Monday, seeking to defuse the sex scandal that has battered the Roman Catholic Church.

On a visit to Chile, Bertone, dubbed the Deputy Pope, also said Pope Benedict would soon take more surprising initiatives regarding the sex abuse scandal but did not elaborate.

"Many psychologists and psychiatrists have shown that there is no link between celibacy and pedophilia but many others have shown, I have recently been told, that there is a relationship between homosexuality and pedophilia," he told a news conference in Santiago.

"This pathology is one that touches all categories of people, and priests to a lesser degree in percentage terms," he said. "The behavior of the priests in this case, the negative behavior, is very serious, is scandalous."

Bertone's visit to Chile comes as the Catholic Church has been buffeted by scandals concerning sexual abuse of children -- most of them boys -- by priests. There also have been allegations of cover-ups and even that the Pope mishandled cases when he was a bishop in Germany and a Vatican official before his election in 2005.

[giblets]

Report: More Church Abuse Allegations in Pope Benedict's Native Country

FOXNews.com

Children were allegedly "sadisitically tormented and also sexually abused" in Pope Benedict's native Bavaria, according to Reuters.

An internal report on sexual abuse at a Catholic monastery in Germany is causing more trouble for the Catholic Church.

Thomas Pfister, a lawyer hired to investigate accusations of abuse at the monastery in Pope Benedict's native Bavaria, concluded that children at the monastery's school allegedly were "sadistically tormented and also sexually abused." Pfister issued his final report to the Archdiocese of Munich and Freising.

"My investigations quite clearly show that for decades up until around 1990, children and adolescents were brutally abused in the Ettal monastery," Pfister said in a written statement, Reuters reported.

An archdiocese spokesman said he could not comment on the specific number of victims, Reuters reported.

Also Friday, the Vatican said that Pope Benedict XVI would meet with more abuse victims and that transparency in dealing with abuse allegations is an "urgent requirement" for the church -- a sharp turnabout in Rome's previously defensive response to the scandal.

The church's internal justice system for dealing with abuse allegations has come under attack because of claims by victims that their accusations were long ignored by bishops more concerned about protecting the church and by the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, which was headed by Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger from 1981 until he was elected pope in 2005.

Germany's has recently been hit hard by a Catholic Church sex abuse scandal, which has grown from the claims of seven former pupils at a Catholic-run Berlin high school to more than 170 ex-students from several of the church's most prominent educational facilities in Germany.

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2010/04...est=latestnews

More lies from the liberal media.

[DinoDoc]

Pfister

[The Emperor Fabulous]

"Civil law concerning reporting of crimes to the appropriate authorities should always be followed," the Vatican guidelines said.

Ridiculous that this had to be added. But now, after 28 pages of BS, even the Vatican no longer agrees with Ben.