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[Ben Kenobi]

I talked about how the stress that goes with being forced in the closet for enlisted gays in the military compounds the stress that they, like straight people in the military already deal with.

Which is why this thread has progressed into a tirade about discrimination and equality? Military is tough. You can't hack it get out and let other people who are willing to do it go through. Personally, not much sympathy here. Lots of people out there would be glad to have the opportunity, but cannot serve.

I can also add another source of stress that enlisted gays and lesbians face under DADT. Gays and lesbians in U.S. military cannot communicate with their spouses or partners who live back home, as openly and honestly as straight enlisted members can.

Hmm, gosh.

Surprised? Not.

Interestingly this is no different then it is with straight people and their girlfriends and boyfriends.

[Ben Kenobi]

It is not at all obvious. Your reply was posted 3 hours and 5 posts after mine, and you didn't quote a thing.

You quote wikipedia and act confused when I make a comment about wikipedia? Gosh. I don't think it was particularly difficult to understand that I had just referenced your other post as well.

Are you contending that the stop-loss program does not exist?

Well gee, that would by why I accused you of writing the article on wikipedia no? Man, you're really on the ball today. Did you take your extra-smart pills this morning?

[MrFun]

Which is why this thread has progressed into a tirade about discrimination and equality? Military is tough. You can't hack it get out and let other people who are willing to do it go through. Personally, not much sympathy here. Lots of people out there would be glad to have the opportunity, but cannot serve.

Interestingly this is no different then it is with straight people and their girlfriends and boyfriends.

You are such an imbecile. Straight enlisted members in the military can openly and honestly communicate with their romantic loved ones with no problems of being founded out for being straight, and then discharged because of it.

And you're damn right, the military is tough. Which is why I especially have admiration for gays and lesbians in the U.S. military who not only endure the same stresses their straight comrades endure, but the fact that all of those stresses are compounded by the stupid DADT policy. Equal rights and recognition of the humanity of those belong in a minority group has nothing to do with complaining about how tough or strenuous it is to serve in the military. The record of many gays and lesbians who serve so well demonstrates that.

You ****ing imbecile.

[Asher]

You quote wikipedia and act confused when I make a comment about wikipedia?

I did not quote wikipedia.

Gosh. I don't think it was particularly difficult to understand that I had just referenced your other post as well.

No, you did not.

Well gee, that would by why I accused you of writing the article on wikipedia no? Man, you're really on the ball today. Did you take your extra-smart pills this morning?

Are you ****ing serious. You've never head of stop-loss before and you are accusing me of faking a ****ing article on wikipedia to make it up?

****ing hell, you dishonest ****ing *****.

[MrFun]

Don't forget, "imbecile" too.

[Ben Kenobi]

You are such an imbecile.

"A person of moderate to severe mental retardation having a mental age of from three to seven years and generally being capable of some degree of communication and performance of simple tasks under supervision. The term belongs to a classification system no longer in use and is now considered offensive."

Hmm. Good to know it's pejorative. Personally I'd prefer the use of the term, 'dipstick'. Much more evocative. Have to give you points for originality though. You're lucky I grade on a curve.

Straight enlisted members in the military can openly and honestly communicate with their romantic loved ones with no problems of being founded out for being straight, and then discharged because of it.

Deployments are difficult no doubt about it. There are a million and one things you can whine about, including contact with loved ones and family. It's part of what you sign up for, and anyone who isn't prepared I'd argue is a poor fit for the military.

The record of many gays and lesbians who serve so well demonstrates that.

Then why is the policy a problem? Your complaint is that it's difficult to stay in touch with friends and family. Well duh, that's why it's a deployment. You don't go to the garden spots of the world.

[Ben Kenobi]

You've never head of stop-loss

Wow, that so explains why I accused you of writing that article. Of course, the reason I disagree is because I'm ignorant and haven't ever heard of stop-loss.

Wow. You are just so insightful today. It must be your spiritual gift that makes you so perceptive.

[MrFun]

The difficulty I speak of, is not in the deployment itself! It's in the discrimination that treats gays and straights in military differently!

I'VE ALREADY TOLD YOU WHY THE DADT POLICY IS A PROBLEM - IN THE OP, AND IN SUCCEEDING POSTS IN RESPONSE TO YOUR ASININE REMARKS. GO BACK AND READ!!

I work full-time and go to school with online classes full time. Someone else take BK by the hand and walk back him through the thread.

[Ben Kenobi]

It's in the discrimination that treats gays and straights in military differently!

And the military treats girlfriends and boyfriends differently too. Sound the alarm! Call the Whaambulance.

[Asher]

****ing hell, Ben, ****ing hell.

[Theben]

So your belief is that Gays are incapable of protecting Americans, or is it that if there's one gay in a platoon, that platoon is now incapable of defending Americans?

Considering he cited the Fort Hood episode, I'd say he thinks having gays openly in the military will cause them to shoot other soldiers.

[Theben]

I wish folks like BK would quit insulting the U.S. military by believing they're less professional than the British and Israeli militaries. Or even most major U.S. corporations.

Ben wants all gays dead and forgotten. What makes you think he cares?

[DaShi]

Let me get this straight: Ben, having never heard of stop-loss, assumed that the wiki article about it was fake and written by Asher without doing any basic research that a 6 year old could do to confirm that it does exist?

That's not just incompetence, that's retarded.

[MrFun]

And the military treats girlfriends and boyfriends differently too. Sound the alarm! Call the Whaambulance.

This. Makes. No. Sense.

[MikeH]

Let me get this straight: Ben, having never heard of stop-loss, assumed that the wiki article about it was fake and written by Asher without doing any basic research that a 6 year old could do to confirm that it does exist?

That's not just incompetence, that's retarded.

When he gets this ludicrous is when I start to really enjoy the entertainment!