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[BlackCat]

BK's ?

[Theben]

You wouldn't believe the number of straight men I have raped over the years at work, where gays and lesbians are protected from discrimination.

So what was your reward?

[BlackCat]

Well, thy must have liked it - he's still alive

[Theben]

I figured he got a promotion. Now wait for him to start killing. He has been acting hot under the collar here lately...

[MrFun]

So what was your reward?

Isn't it obvious?




I got off.

[Elok]

"Buttrape is its own reward?" That's a little too after-school-special for me.

BK, I can't even begin to follow the logic of that. Are you seriously implying that the Army (or Navy, AF or Marines) brass will take DADT as orders to look the other way about sexual assault? I mean, there are women in the military now, and while I recall hearing something about men getting away with harassment for far too long (I think it was the Air Force), that was some time ago and it caused a big scandal.

They're certainly not going to extend that kind of "boys will be boys" leniency to gays. In fact, I imagine that for about ten years after DADT is repealed gay servicemen will have a hell of an uphill battle: fail to dot an i or cross a t and it's discharge papers. If they start fondling their fellow soldiers, conservative elements within the hierarchy will not hesitate to kick their asses out after one rumor.

[Ben Kenobi]

Do you even think about what you post anymore?

Yes, quite so.

[Ben Kenobi]

BK, I can't even begin to follow the logic of that. Are you seriously implying that the Army (or Navy, AF or Marines) brass will take DADT as orders to look the other way about sexual assault?

I'm saying that when it does occur, they will feel that their hands are tied. There will be significant pressure levelled to cover it up, and the result will be that those who engage in it will be rewarded with promotions, etc, as was Hasan.

I mean, there are women in the military now, and while I recall hearing something about men getting away with harassment for far too long (I think it was the Air Force), that was some time ago and it caused a big scandal.

Yes, and this was because the political climate moved away from one tolerating such acts, to one that condemned them. Put it this way, men are a higher proportion of sexual assaults within the forces and yet, 10x as many women report being assaulted as the men. This is how politics can influence how an organisation either tolerates or prosecutes acts contrary to the regs.

They're certainly not going to extend that kind of "boys will be boys" leniency to gays.

They already do to a significant extent.

In fact, I imagine that for about ten years after DADT is repealed gay servicemen will have a hell of an uphill battle: fail to dot an i or cross a t and it's discharge papers. If they start fondling their fellow soldiers, conservative elements within the hierarchy will not hesitate to kick their asses out after one rumor.

One would think so, but I believe the effect will be the opposite. It's still not politically correct to treat all rape as the same whether it's by straight or gay men. I see the repeal of DADT as no different then saying that it should be open season on the women in the forces; you are removing one of the restraints in place.

[Ming]

Yes, quite so.

Then you are even a bigger moron and bigot.

[Asher]

Ben, do you ever stop and wonder when EVERYONE is appalled by what you say...you may be wrong and just a LITTLE BIT downright EVIL?

I see the repeal of DADT as no different then saying that it should be open season on the women in the forces; you are removing one of the restraints in place.

Words cannot describe how stupid this is.

Back in the real world, the only case your logic seems to have been applied was the Roman Catholic Church. When the priests raped little boys, the Church decided to cover it up and pretend it didn't happen. The Church said it was "open season on little boys". Is that right?

You seem to be implying that the military would follow trademarked Christian logic. I think if someone rapes anyone in the military, they're pulled out because they become a danger to their comrades as well as themselves -- vigilante justice with a bunch of juiced-up military guys.

[Ben Kenobi]

Actually, considering how these are the same folks who bashed my memorial thread, I feel zero qualms in the usual suspects trashing my thoughts here.

I'm interested in how saying that rape is wrong, whether it's committed by gay or straight men is construed as a bigotted statement. Saying that some men will rape other men after the repeal of DADT may be a controversial statement but it's not by any stretch of the word bigotted.

Saying that all homosexual men want to rape other men, yeah, I could see you saying I was a bigot, but then I haven't said it. You want to portray my statement as such, but that's just dishonesty on all of your parts.

So go ahead, fire away. I know I'm going to get flamed on this but that's what flamesuits are for.

[rah]

men are a higher proportion of sexual assaults within the forces and yet, 10x as many women report being assaulted as the men.

Do you have numbers to support this?

[Asher]

Actually, considering how these are the same folks who bashed my memorial thread, I feel zero qualms in the usual suspects trashing my thoughts here.

I'm interested in how saying that rape is wrong, whether it's committed by gay or straight men is construed as a bigotted statement.

Holy ****ing ****. No one ****ing said THAT was a bigoted statement, you dishonest ****ing ****.

Saying that some men will rape other men after the repeal of DADT may be a controversial statement but it's not by any stretch of the word bigotted.

That's not bigoted, but it's a bit stupid also. Some men will rape other men before the repeal of DADT. Many more men will rape many more women before, during, and after the repeal of DADT. Now that we've established the useless of the statement, time to move on.

[Ben Kenobi]

I saw an article on this the other day. Let me find it again.

[Asher]

Do you have numbers to support this?

No, because he's ****ing lying.

Men are higher in absolute count, because of the proportion of the gender:

In a 2006 survey of active-duty troops, 6.8 percent of women and 1.8 percent of men said they had experienced unwanted sexual contact in the previous 12 months. Since there are far more men than women in the services, that translates into roughly 22,000 men and 14,000 women.

Among women, the number of victims who report their assaults is small. Among men, it is infinitesimal. Last year the services received 2,530 reports of sexual assault involving female victims - and 220 involving male victims.

http://hamptonroads.com/2009/10/military-men-are-silent-victims-sexual-assault