How "Christian" of him!!

[Jon Miller]

You keep saying that, but I don't see how that is relevant.

In every case in the Biblical stories, a people are given a chance to repent. Not because God says to them, but because God sends messengers.

The Christian/Judaism narrative is fundamentally different than the early mesopotamians. This is because they are different religions! A Christian would say that they have the right one (or a Jew).

The narrative is what is important, especially for something which is mythic. If it was reality, then the narrative is still what is important because we want the perspective of a follower of God, not someone who rejected Him. Things even 100 years ago are heavily dependent on perspective, mythic things even more so.

JM

[Kidlicious]

Knowing poly, he very well might be, but so far he reminds me more of a person who have just converted. Those are often going a bit far in their radicality. I've seen a few conversions, and this reminds me of those at least.

Kid: What denomination are you? I don't think I've seen that mentioned yet. Might be helpful to know.

non-denominational as of now. And thank you for calling me radical.

[Kidlicious]

You want me to call you out? Fair enough. Where have I lied?

Ben I knew you were a liar before I recieved salvation from Christ. Everyone here on poly knows you're a liar. You aren't fooling anyone, but maybe one or two people, maybe.

Specifically, I called you a liar in this thread a few pages back. Perhaps you missed it.

I've given you a pass on the countless things you've said for the simple reason that you've stated that you've come over. Great. Wonderful.

That's a lie right there. You haven't passed over anything I've said.

[Nikolai]

non-denominational as of now. And thank you for calling me radical.

Radical is good, in case you misunderstood. What I mean is that radicality can go too far, and often a Christian gets a more balanced view on things after some time. It's kind of a maturing thing. So, I didn't mean it negatively.

[Jon Miller]

A lot of people who are raised Christian don't realize how great being Christian actually is. They just do it because it is 'default' or something.

I have been this way even myself. God does a lot for me, and I just take it as 'expected' often.

JM

[Kidlicious]

Radical is good

Indeed, I pray to be as radical as Jesus.

[Ben Kenobi]

Ben I knew you were a liar before I recieved salvation from Christ. Everyone here on poly knows you're a liar. You aren't fooling anyone, but maybe one or two people, maybe.

As a Christian, if you are going to accuse another Christian of lying, you should at the very least be able to prove it.

That's a lie right there. You haven't passed over anything I've said.

Yet, you assume I missed your earlier accusation... Hello, earth to Kid. I passed over that the first time. Now, since you've insisted on repeating it, all I ask is you prove it. Saying, "I know you've always been a liar", is complete and utter bull****.

[Jon Miller]

Indeed, I pray to be as radical as Jesus.

Yes.

Have you read Tolstoy? I am starting to again.

JM

[MOBIUS]

Has anyone asked in this thread why God hates Haitians so much?

I'm too lazy to look through so many posts.

[Kidlicious]

Yes.

Have you read Tolstoy? I am starting to again.

JM

I never have, but I think I read that he was a Christian.

[Kidlicious]

As a Christian, if you are going to accuse another Christian of lying, you should at the very least be able to prove it.



Yet, you assume I missed your earlier accusation... Hello, earth to Kid. I passed over that the first time. Now, since you've insisted on repeating it, all I ask is you prove it. Saying, "I know you've always been a liar", is complete and utter bull****.

You passed over it, so you go back and find it and respond to it. This is your reputation here. You defend it, or don't. I don't care.

[Jon Miller]

I never have, but I think I read that he was a Christian.

Radical Christian Anarchist.

http://www.gutenberg.org/etext/4602

JM

[Ben Kenobi]

You passed over it, so you go back and find it and respond to it. This is your reputation here. You defend it, or don't. I don't care.

Fine, you drop the allegation? Yes or no.

[Berzerker]

Exactly, god coveted the worship they were giving to something else. Envy is a sin, isn't it?

good one, fake Boris

Christ said, "whoever is not for me is against me."

But how did he define "for me"? The disciples saw a man doing miracles but who was not a follower of Jesus, and Jesus said it didn't matter - the man was doing good. So I dont think Jesus was saying Christians are for him and non-Christians are against him.

God always speaks through people, he never once just appeared to a large community and told them do to something.

Many of your complaints show a lack of understanding about who God is.

Jon Miller

C'mon, what kind of God would warn you of impending death by sending some old crackpot around shouting the end is near? Is God now ignorant of our nature, and common sense? If God wants to warn you, God had better do it or God is responsible for the failed transmission.

You keep saying that, but I don't see how that is relevant.

Its relevant because the Sumerians were the source of these myths - and your interpretation contradicts what they said.

In every case in the Biblical stories, a people are given a chance to repent. Not because God says to them, but because God sends messengers.

Not true, and it just aint logical to say God warned everyone when he was trying to wipe humanity off the face of the Earth with the Flood. And what about Gomorrah and the other cities on the plain? God sent messengers to confirm Sodom's wickedness but nothing about the other 4 cities. Yet they were wiped out too. Not to mention the elderly, mentally deficient, and youngsters killed - people who didn't hear or understand the "warning'. What warning did Sodom receive? Some people tried to break in and they were blinded - that was God warning them to leave the city? No, God wanted to destroy them! But what about all the people who weren't there to see the angels blind the invaders?

The Christian/Judaism narrative is fundamentally different than the early mesopotamians. This is because they are different religions! A Christian would say that they have the right one (or a Jew).

Yes, but the early mesopotamians wrote these stories down long before Jesus or his religion. In Josh 24:2-6 (I think) Joshua tells the people their fathers served other gods in the olden times between the 2 rivers - thats where the stories come from, thru Abraham and his clan. That makes the Sumerians relevant to any discussion about the Bible. A couple examples: the Sumerian word for "rib" also means "that which animates" or "life force" (nephish?). Now what makes sense, Eve was made from Adam's rib or from that which animated the Adam? Lot's wife turned back to watch Sodom's destruction and she was... turned into a pillar of salt? The Sumerian word for salt also means vapor. She was vaporized, not turned into salt.

[Jon Miller]

The summerians didn't follow God.

So they will have the narratives wrong.

When has God used anyone other than people for telling people things? I think this is one of the important things, which is true whether there is any literal truth to the Bible or not.

Even the biggest communication from God, Christ, was in the form of a man.

In the Christian spirituality, God communicates through people.

Jon