How "Christian" of him!!

[Ben Kenobi]

The problem is that Ben is once again twisting the argument and completely failing to address what it's really about.

Oh? that's why you've decided to abandon responding to my questions to give a narrative? This is what you always do when you are sucking.

He knows he can't provide adequate answers that don't make the Biblical god look like an immoral dick, so he has to resort to claiming that I'm some sort of closet theist who hates god to try and distract from the issue at hand.

Please. I'm accusing you of being a closet theist because you hate God. You are trying to tell us that God is immoral while at the same time trying to tell that you believe he doesn't exist. Damn, forgive me for calling out the contradiction.

decides to make the argument about *me* instead of the issue at hand.

I'm asking you questions because a, you are inconsistant with your stated beliefs. Are you an atheist Boris? Then why do you believe that the Bible is accurate?

To summarize, the point of this entire argument was this: Ben called "unChristian," based on the idea that Robertson was supposedly stating that he knew that Haiti was suffering divine punishment for it's alleged devil pact long ago.

Yessir. I don't believe Robertson has received inspiration from heaven telling him that God was judging Haiti.

My contention was, given what Robertson really said, it couldn't be called "unChristian." To simply speculate that a disaster might have been divine punishment does not violate any rule, nor does it contradict the Bible, in which God visits disasters on peoples on several occasions.

I'm arguing that you don't speculate if you are making an assertion on divine judgment, not if you are a Christian. You don't bring God into it unless you are a, lying, or b, have some other motive. Or c, you really did receive divine inspiration, and in that case you aren't guessing about His motives...

Ben's argument was that these biblical disasters came with warning, so Haiti somehow doesn't apply.

Yes, all the biblical examples have had warning. Usually people ignore the warning signs.

However, I haven't seen any convincing evidence that the Bible says anyone was warned about the Flood or Sodom and Gomorrah beyond the few people god intended to save.

So the building of the Ark wasn't a warning to others? And why send Angels to Sodom? Obviously the just saved themselves by heeding the warnings of God to which the others were oblivious.

Even if those do count, at this point Christians couldn't be certain someone in Haiti wasn't warned and they just hadn't heard about it yet.

I've heard zero predictions ahead of time. Zero, and certainly none from Pat Robertson. Why was he not warned of impending punishment to Haiti?

Likewise, they could also believe that Haiti's past calamities were a sort of warning. Ergo even with the warning argument, it stands that the earthquake could, to a Christian, be interpreted as possible divine judgment, given Biblical precedent.

I'm explaining to you why the Haiti example is no different from any other natural disaster. I also find it humourous that the Atheist here is arguing that a natural disaster must be understood by Christians as divine punishment.

The Egyptian children massacre was a wholly separate argument, and given Ben's latest attempt a response ("uhh... you must not really be an atheist!"), I'm satisfied he has no answers to why it's moral for a god to kill innocent children while it's supposedly wrong for anyone else to do so.

Again, you're an atheist. Why is scripture reliable here? Please answer the question, rather than evading this question.

If your god's morals don't apply to himself, then they aren't morals at all, just arbitrary dictates that he's free to violate on a whim.

Why should God's rules for man apply to him? Is man equal to God, or is God sovereign?

Now you'd have to be dishonest or a total moron to think that my stating any of the above requires me personally to believe any of it is true. It's pretty obvious I'm just engaging in hypothetical reasoning to get at certain religious beliefs of other people. How anyone cannot grasp that is beyond me. I suppose I could add the words "alleged" and "supposed" before every point I make, but that would be tiresome and should be wholly unnecessary for any thinking person to need.

Yeah, which is why you've resorted to narrative rather then debate. Thanks for a laugh Boris. Have fun talking to yourself.

[Imran Siddiqui]

Jon, throwing his brothers and sisters under the bus yet again.

What are you afraid of? People hating you?

It's probably because he finds many of your arguments to be unChristian.

[Ben Kenobi]

It's probably because he finds many of your arguments to be unChristian.

Then you might want to ask yourself why I don't say the same about Jon. Obviously caring about your brothers and sisters is a one way street here.

[Imran Siddiqui]

Yes, all the biblical examples have had warning. Usually people ignore the warning signs.

Incorrect:

Matthew 24:

36 But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.

37 But as the days of Noah were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

38 For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noah entered into the ark,

39 And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

[Ben Kenobi]

Yet we also hear:

"At that time the kingdom of heaven will be like ten virgins who took their lamps and went out to meet the bridegroom. Five of them were foolish and five were wise. The foolish ones took their lamps but did not take any oil with them. The wise, however, took oil in jars along with their lamps. The bridegroom was a long time in coming, and they all became drowsy and fell asleep.

"At midnight the cry rang out: 'Here's the bridegroom! Come out to meet him!'

"Then all the virgins woke up and trimmed their lamps. The foolish ones said to the wise, 'Give us some of your oil; our lamps are going out.'

" 'No,' they replied, 'there may not be enough for both us and you. Instead, go to those who sell oil and buy some for yourselves.'

"But while they were on their way to buy the oil, the bridegroom arrived. The virgins who were ready went in with him to the wedding banquet. And the door was shut.

"Later the others also came. 'Sir! Sir!' they said. 'Open the door for us!'

"But he replied, 'I tell you the truth, I don't know you.'

"Therefore keep watch, because you do not know the day or the hour.

We have been warned he is coming. There is no excuse for not being ready for the coming of God. You are right that we don't know the when, but we do know he is coming. Just as Noah knew a flood was approaching, so we do know that Christ is coming.

[DaShi]

The bridegroom is a douche. And a polygamist!

[Jon Miller]

Incorrect:

Matthew 24:

36 But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.

37 But as the days of Noah were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

38 For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noah entered into the ark,

39 And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

But people have warning about the end times. God has already given it (you just quoted some of it). Just because it will be ignored does not mean that it wasn't given.

Jon Miller

[Jon Miller]

Then you might want to ask yourself why I don't say the same about Jon. Obviously caring about your brothers and sisters is a one way street here.

Do you think you are turning anyone to Christ on apolyton?

JM

[Imran Siddiqui]

Just as Noah knew a flood was approaching, so we do know that Christ is coming.

But he was talking about the rest of the people in the world... they didn't get warning.

[Ben Kenobi]

Do you think you are turning anyone to Christ on apolyton?

Are you?

If you have a problem with me and what I say, have the courtesy to send me a pm.

I get really tired of people that I considered friends selling me out with a cheap shot just to make themselves look better.

[Ben Kenobi]

But he was talking about the rest of the people in the world... they didn't get warning.

Oh, so Noah building his ark wasn't a sign. Is this why people mocked him?

How do we know that God didn't try to warn people? All we know is that Noah responded.

[Imran Siddiqui]

And knew not until the flood came

[Ben Kenobi]

But Noah knew... Did God not warn him?

Looking at your analogy, would you claim that God has not warned you that he is coming?

[Imran Siddiqui]

[RoboCon]

Jon, throwing his brothers and sisters under the bus yet again.

People should not publicly disagree with each other (Unless they're publicly disagreeing with an atheist or a muslim or a jew or a liberal etc.)

If True Christians had shown solidarity with each other then 9/11 would not have occurred, because there wouldn't be any muslims or homosexuals or feminists in the country