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  • #31
    The Star still can't figure out what the oilsands are called. Yet another editorial complaining about how poor old Ontario will have to shoulder the burden of greenhouse gas reductions that they're also simultaneously hoping become more onerous. Charming.



    Canada's a joke at climate talks

    You know you're in trouble when they're laughing at you.

    For Canadians who take their country seriously, and who believe global warming is a deadly serious business, it's almost painful to see their environmental policies singled out for global ridicule. But after ignoring the critics and playing an obstructionist role in climate negotiations culminating this week in Copenhagen, the federal government has made itself a laughably easy target.

    A series of embarrassing spoofs – complete with convincing press releases that pledged Ottawa would double its targets for curbing carbon – have cast Canada as the villain in a theatre of the absurd. But the publicity stunts were not the cause of Canada's woes, merely a symptom. The inaction of the governing Conservatives has provided ample material for mockery in the run-up to the Copenhagen summit.

    By sticking to his script and saying as little as possible about his environmental plans beyond pledging to ape the Americans, Prime Minister Stephen Harper has abdicated the field to the other players. Sensing an absence of leadership, premiers and mayors have moved into the vacuum to proclaim their own often rival policies – a uniquely Canadian spectacle of governments working at cross-purposes.

    This cacophony is no mere sideshow. Documents leaked to the CBC appear to bear out what Ontario and Quebec have long suspected – that Harper's Alberta-focused government is planning to give the tar sands special concessions in any targets to reduce greenhouse gas emissions, while other industrial sectors will have to bear the burden of more onerous reductions.

    Federal Environment Minister Jim Prentice confirmed yesterday he is contemplating special treatment for tar sands exports by designating it a "trade-sensitive" industry. That is sure to raise hackles not only across Canada but also in the U.S., where the tar sands are increasingly seen as "dirty oil."

    As Harper and more than 100 other world leaders arrive in Copenhagen for a final round of bargaining, Canada's do-nothing approach amounts to playing with fire. It is making us into a laughingstock, while turning us into even more of a target – not just for pranksters, but for our negotiating partners in Copenhagen, and possibly our trading partners in the U.S.
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    • #32
      Why can't Harper -- a villain and a bully -- be more like Mayor Miller...someone who is ridiculously unpopular even in left-wing Toronto...someone so bad he has no hope of re-election and won't run again?



      Porter: Why can't Harper be more like Miller?

      It's at this point in the thriller that something happens.

      A hero rises up. The villain is stopped. He either explodes or repents his evil ways and is transformed.

      I don't have much hope that Stephen Harper will recant his climate change stance in the last two days of the Copenhagen summit.

      There are some heroes though.

      One is our mayor.

      Last week, David Miller stepped forward to accept the Fossil of the Day Award on behalf of the Canadian government. Our delegation had spent another day throwing tacks on the road to progress and an emissions-reduction pact to save the planet.

      "I speak on behalf of all Canadians when I say it's an embarrassment that our government is being cited as one of the major reasons a deal is not being reached at COP15," he said, holding up the trophy decorated with what looks like plastic dinosaur figurines. The organizers then sang a rendition of Céline Dion's Titanic theme song.

      It was classic Miller – earnest, a bit too wordy, slightly awkward. But it was also dead right.

      I'm embarrassed to be Canadian right now, too.

      We should all be.

      The threat of climate change grows more frightening by the month. The Arctic ice – our Arctic ice – could be all but gone by 2014, not 2030 as previously predicted.

      The solution is clear. Scientists say we have to cut our emissions by one-quarter by 2020 to save the planet (from 1990 levels, not today's). Countries like Germany and Denmark have promised to do much better.

      But Canada? Our delegation arrived in Copenhagen with the pathetic pledge of 3 per cent cuts to greenhouse gases and no progress toward even that.

      We've led the charge to scrap the Kyoto agreement altogether, so we don't face penalties for failing to meet the 6 per cent cuts we promised in 1997.

      The best part? A briefing note prepared for cabinet shows the Canadian government wants to expand the oilsands by 165 per cent by 2020, according to the CBC.

      It makes you wonder: Why is Harper bothering to go to Copenhagen, since his government clearly does not believe in climate change?

      In contrast, Toronto has moved ahead with its own green plans. The city has pledged to cut emissions by 30 per cent by 2020, which Miller says we will reach regardless of what happens over the next two days. The plans are in place: expanded public transit, retrofitting the city's aging buildings and generating green energy.

      "Toronto has a moral obligation to do it," Miller said Wednesday on the phone from Copenhagen. "We will reach those goals."

      The Globe and Mail slammed Miller as "hypocritical" and "unhelpful" in Copenhagen. His criticism, it warned in an editorial, would harden Harper's stance.

      That's a great lesson for our children: Don't stand up to bullies. Just be quiet and hope they go away. I'm glad he spoke up. More of us should.

      "There's a heck of a lot of pressure here because (the Canadian government) is seen as being recalcitrant," Miller said. "If Torontonians speak up, the government will have to listen."

      Miller says he is still cautiously optimistic an agreement will be reached over the next few hours in Copenhagen. UN Secretary General Ban Ki Moon told the Financial Times Wednesday governments would likely leave the city without an agreement on one key aspect – how much cash the developed world will float to poorer countries to adapt to the floods and droughts climate change will wreak.

      Canada isn't the only problem there.

      I've never been big on thriller novels. I read the other genre – the Newfoundland sagas where the hero drinks himself to death and the villain lives on. Stories that sap your faith in all that is good and cement you into bed for the week.

      Harper's email is pm@pm.gc.ca.

      I am writing him today to tell him to be a hero and act like Miller. You should too.
      The immense ignorance is infuriating.
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      • #33
        Okay, I haven't been really paying attention, but this part was hilarious:

        The threat of climate change grows more frightening by the month. The Arctic ice – our Arctic ice – could be all but gone by 2014, not 2030 as previously predicted.


        OUR PRECIOUS ARCTIC ICE!!!!!!! NOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!
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        • #34
          Be serious, KH. The whole world could conceivably end in just a few short years, and it's all Harper's fault.
          "The issue is there are still many people out there that use religion as a crutch for bigotry and hate. Like Ben."
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          • #35
            I don't like the implication that skeptic of the costs of climate change or of the means being proposed to reduce climate change = climate change "skeptic". I'm fairly convinced that as far as warming goes, the case is proven. I'm not sure WHAT the costs of climate change will be (I've seen various studies which come up with vastly different numbers). I'm also sick and tired of watching a climate change discussion be conflated with a discussion of global inequality (which, don't get me wrong, I care deeply about).

            On the other hand, Harper's statements on climate change economics display profound intellectual dishonesty (I'm thinking especially about using the Liberal's extraordinarily reasonable proposal for a carbon tax to make political hay by appealing to economic ignoramuses in the last election).
            12-17-10 Mohamed Bouazizi NEVER FORGET
            Stadtluft Macht Frei
            Killing it is the new killing it
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            • #36
              The Carbon Tax was not at all reasonable given the economic climate and the falling price of oil, especially to the West.

              Only a complete and utter moron would campaign for a new tax during economic turmoil, no matter what it was.
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              • #37
                The Carbon Tax was not at all reasonable given the economic climate and the falling price of oil, especially to the West.


                You have no idea what you're talking about.
                12-17-10 Mohamed Bouazizi NEVER FORGET
                Stadtluft Macht Frei
                Killing it is the new killing it
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                • #38
                  Liberal's extraordinarily reasonable proposal for a carbon tax
                  The way it's been done here, if you live in Vancouver, you are exempt from paying.

                  If you live anywhere else, tough beans. It's total bull****.

                  Obviously, if everyone had to pay carbon tax, it would be the most unpopular tax ever.
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                  • #39
                    Originally posted by KrazyHorse View Post
                    You have no idea what you're talking about.
                    I actually read the whole Green Shift PDF -- did you?

                    It was a glorified wealth redistribution scheme. No matter how you cut it. "Big polluters" out West get to pay the taxes, the folks in Ontario and Quebec get the money the West has been paying. The "big polluters" out east got convenient exemptions so they didn't get taxed anyway.
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                    • #40
                      Here's a quote from a Liberal MP (from Ontario):


                      "The shift will transfer wealth from rich to poor, from the oilpatch to the rest of the country, and from the coffers of big business to the pockets of low-income Canadians," he said in a post on NetNewsledger.com.
                      I understand your economic defense of the concept of a Carbon Tax, but I'm pretty sure you're not at all aware of the political undercurrents of and the actual implementation of the Green Shift.
                      "The issue is there are still many people out there that use religion as a crutch for bigotry and hate. Like Ben."
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                      • #41
                        The AGW "consensus" is falling apart, and so is Copenhagen. USA, China, Russia, India, and Africa are backpedaling.

                        Russia accused CRU of cherrypicking data, the AGU conference in SanFran is annihilating the IPCC, the third world is putting up it's dukes at Copenhagen, and China, India, and Russia seem wise to the scam at COP15 as well.

                        Climategate gang is writing the script for Copenhagen

                        The Copenhagen Diagnosis, a year-long study to be unveiled at the Copenhagen climate change meetings that begin today, was designed to dramatize how little time we have left to save the planet from catastrophic climate.

                        But the Copenhagen Diagnosis, which is billed as an update to the last report of the UN's Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, has a credibility problem. The Climategate gang - the same crew now discredited by emails that emerged showing a conspiracy to cook the books - had a dozen of its members in charge of producing the Copenhagen Diagnosis. More credibility problems: The Copenhagen Diagnosis relies on data from the Hadley Centre of the UK meteorological office and the Climate Research Unit of East Anglia University - two bodies that may now need to set aside the data altogether and start over.

                        ...

                        Mann is the author of the hockey stick, the icon of the global warming adherents which purported to show that the Earth warmed rapidly in the 20th century. That graph was later found to be bogus, as hearings into it before the U.S. Congress determined. Yet now Mann is back - he is one of the authors of the Copenhagen Diagnosis -- and so is his hockey-stick graph!

                        All told, 12 of the 26 Copenhagen Diagnosis authors are implicated in the Climategate scandal, including Stefan Rahmstorf of the Potsdam Institute for Climate Impact Research in Germany, a much criticized Lead Author of the IPCC Fourth Assessment Report.
                        Last edited by HalfLotus; December 17, 2009, 20:51.

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                        • #42
                          I'm really starting to believe Iggy is retarded.

                          Liberal Leader Michael Ignatieff rejected the Tory policy of linking Canada's climate-change plan with the U.S. plan. “We cannot allow Canadian environmental policy to be entirely dependent on American politics,” he said in a statement Friday. “We need an aggressive, made in Canada climate-change plan now. And we're willing to work with Mr. Harper on this if his government brings forward a serious plan that treats our provinces fairly and includes pollution reductions for all sectors.”


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                          • #43
                            Originally posted by Heraclitus View Post


                            Balkanization
                            That book was published in the 80's and it was wrong then so its even more wrong 30 years later.
                            Try http://wordforge.net/index.php for discussion and debate.

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                            • #44
                              Now that the enviro nuts have finished handing out their "Fossil of the Day" and "Colossal Fossil" awards, unfairly smearing Canada at the just-completed Copenhagen climate summit, let's return the favour with some well-deserved honours of our own.

                              Ladies and gentlemen, without further ado, we present the Copenhagen Flatulence Awards, honouring those who raised the art of generating hot air and gassy emissions to new intensity levels during the UN-sponsored festival of indignation.

                              ---

                              The "I'm Not Really A Climatologist, I Just Play One on TV" Flatulence Award:

                              To Al Gore, who, having made a career out of mocking opponents for "getting the science wrong" on global warming, gets the science wrong on the melting of the polar ice cap, according to the scientist he says he got the science from.

                              ---

                              The "That Old Man River, He Just Keeps Rolling Along" Flatulence Award:

                              To David Suzuki, for suggesting during a CBC interview -- twice -- that anyone worried about lost jobs if Canada's oil sands are shut down, would also have endorsed slavery in the American south.

                              ---

                              The "I'm The King Of The World, Baby, King Of The World!!!" Flatulence Award:

                              To David Miller, who accepted two Canada-mocking fossil awards in Copenhagen and pronounced himself embarrassed on behalf of all Canadians, apparently unaware that a lame-duck Toronto mayor who would have been slaughtered in the next municipal election -- had he had the stones to run -- is about as fossilized as you can get.

                              ---

                              The "Yes, I'll Have My Gateaux and Eat It Too" Flatulence Award:

                              To Quebec Premier Jean Charest, for going medieval on Alberta's oil sands, apparently unaware that oil money from Alberta helps to pay for Quebec's cradle-to-grave social programs.

                              ---

                              The "Pay No Attention To That Man Behind the Curtain" Flatulence Award:

                              To Ontario Premier Dalton McGuinty, for having his environmental thingy in Copenhagen lambaste Stephen Harper for not doing enough to lower greenhouse gas emissions, days after Ontario's environment commissioner lambasted McGuinty for not doing enough to lower greenhouse gas emissions.

                              ---

                              The "Somebody Has to Change Their Irresponsible, Carbon-Spewing Lifestyle To Save The Planet, But It Ain't Gonna Be Me" Flatulence Award:

                              To the Copenhagen delegates who booked 140 private jets and 1,200 limousines -- five of them hybrids -- to fly into and tool around the UN conference.

                              ---

                              The "Okay, Now It's Just Getting !@$#%$ Stupid" Flatulence Award:

                              To UN Copenhagen delegates who applauded Third World thug Robert Mugabe and Venezuela's loopy Hugo Chavez, for demanding more money from the West for fighting global warming, as if it won't go down exactly the same sinkhole our foreign aid does now.

                              ---

                              The "We'll Tell You What's News, You Miserable Little Peons" Flatulence Award:

                              To all those Canadian media outlets, and you know who you are, who kept insisting climategate wasn't a real story, without ever explaining what climategate was.

                              And in conclusion, some positive examples of those who took the high-flying, hypocritical gas bags in Copenhagen down a notch:

                              ---

                              The "Is That An Iceberg In Your Pocket Or Are You Happy To See Me?" Award:

                              To Danish sex trade workers, who, angered by a warning from Copenhagen's mayor to conference delegates not to make use of their services, offered free sex to anyone who could produce their conference identity card, plus a copy of the mayor's warning that was sent to local hotels.

                              ---

                              The "My Government Went to COP 15 And All I Got Was This Lousy Economy" Award:

                              To the Washington-based National Center For Public Policy Research, which handed out free T-shirts in Copenhagen featuring the above motto -- along with a photo of a soup line during the Great Depression.

                              And finally, overheard at newsbusters.org: "Climate scientists today said 2000 to 2009 is the warmest decade on record ... And they have the manipulated data to prove it!"




                              When do we get to do it all again?
                              "I have never killed a man, but I have read many obituaries with great pleasure." - Clarence Darrow
                              "I didn't attend the funeral, but I sent a nice letter saying I approved of it." - Mark Twain

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                              • #45
                                I really hope that the $100b+/yr promised by Hillary turns out to be hot air. I doubt it though.

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