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  • God speaks to you in your head and demands you take your first-born child up on a hill and sacrifice him/her. Your wife objects
    1. If I were in my right mind, I'd simply say that God wasn't speaking to me.

    2. If I were out of my right mind, I'd have instructed my wife to get me into an institution.
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    • You're clearly not a believer.
      "The issue is there are still many people out there that use religion as a crutch for bigotry and hate. Like Ben."
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      • Originally posted by Ben Kenobi View Post
        Uhh, I was an evangelical prot. That's why I'd walk out on a Catholic priest who said that. If I wanted dissent, I'd return to being a prot again.
        Dissent from what? The Bible? Fundamentalists believe that Catholics are dissenting from the Bible when they say divinely inspired evolution is possible.
        “I give you a new commandment, that you love one another. Just as I have loved you, you also should love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.”
        - John 13:34-35 (NRSV)

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        • I'm not a hundred year old man who had a kid with his 90 year old wife, so.
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          • Originally posted by Ben Kenobi View Post
            1. If I were in my right mind, I'd simply say that God wasn't speaking to me.

            2. If I were out of my right mind, I'd have instructed my wife to get me into an institution.
            Good to see you acknowledging that believing in god is a delusion.

            But for the purposes of this exercise, he's real, and you just defied his will, so he smites you.
            Last edited by Boris Godunov; November 19, 2009, 16:57.
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            • Dissent from what? The Bible? Fundamentalists believe that Catholics are dissenting from the Bible when they say divinely inspired evolution is possible.
              You miss the point. Evangelicals believe there are many points where the Catholics have strayed. If I hear a priest spouting the same beliefs, why would I be a Catholic? It makes no sense. If I wanted dissent I'd go back to being a prot again.
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              • Originally posted by Ben Kenobi View Post
                It would depend on the subject and what we disagreed on.
                It's a subject about which both of you are qualified to make a decision. But she's a better decision-maker. What more do you need to know?
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                • It's a subject about which both of you are qualified to make a decision. But she's a better decision-maker. What more do you need to know?
                  Some things are non-negotiables.
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                  • Like?
                    "The issue is there are still many people out there that use religion as a crutch for bigotry and hate. Like Ben."
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                    • I'll be going to mass on sundays. Stuff like that.
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                      • Originally posted by Ben Kenobi View Post
                        I'll be going to mass on sundays. Stuff like that.
                        That's not a familial decision, Ben.
                        "The issue is there are still many people out there that use religion as a crutch for bigotry and hate. Like Ben."
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                        • How I look at it, is that it is a family decision.
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                          • Originally posted by Ben Kenobi View Post
                            How I look at it, is that it is a family decision.
                            If YOU alone decide YOU need to go to church, it is NOT a family decision.
                            "The issue is there are still many people out there that use religion as a crutch for bigotry and hate. Like Ben."
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                            • Originally posted by Ben Kenobi View Post
                              You miss the point. Evangelicals believe there are many points where the Catholics have strayed. If I hear a priest spouting the same beliefs, why would I be a Catholic? It makes no sense. If I wanted dissent I'd go back to being a prot again.
                              But you are saying on certain issues (Ephesians 5 being one) if the Catholics stray, you will leave. How are you different than the Evangelical in that way in dissenting?
                              “I give you a new commandment, that you love one another. Just as I have loved you, you also should love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.”
                              - John 13:34-35 (NRSV)

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                              • Originally posted by Asher View Post
                                If YOU alone decide YOU need to go to church, it is NOT a family decision.
                                How about the children's attendance?
                                "I have never killed a man, but I have read many obituaries with great pleasure." - Clarence Darrow
                                "I didn't attend the funeral, but I sent a nice letter saying I approved of it." - Mark Twain

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