Guns don't kill people, soldiers kill people

[Asher]

WTF is going on in Texas?

[Imran Siddiqui]

For those wondering what Asher is on about:

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/11/06/us/06forthood.html?_r=1&hp

At least 12 people were killed and 31 wounded Thursday afternoon in a shooting at a military installation in Fort Hood, Texas, according to military spokesmen. Lt. General Bob Cone said in Texas that the two alleged shooters were Army soldiers who opened fire in a “readiness facility.”

[Ben Kenobi]

It's a-rabs I bet.

[Darius871]

It's a-rabs I bet.

The reports thus far say the primary shooter and two apprehended suspects are soldiers, though nothing yet on motive.

[kittenOFchaos]

The police come along to deal with the military...

[SlowwHand]

One shooter is dead and 2 are captured.

Army: 12 dead, 31 wounded in Fort Hood rampage

05:20 PM CST on Thursday, November 5, 2009

From Staff and Wire Reports

FORT HOOD, Texas — A soldier opened fire at a U.S. Army base in Fort Hood, Texas on Thursday, unleashing a stream of gunfire that left 12 people dead and 31 wounded. Authorities killed the gunman, and apprehended two other soldiers suspected in what appears to be the worst mass shooting at a U.S. military base.

The shooting began around 1:30 p.m., Lt. Gen. Bob Cone said at a news conference. He said all the casualties took place at the base's Soldier Readiness Center, where soldiers who are about to be deployed or who are returning undergo medical screening.

"It's a terrible tragedy. It's stunning," Cone said.

A law enforcement official identified the shooting suspect as Army Maj. Malik Nadal Hasan. The official said Hasan, believed to be in his late 30s, was killed after opening fire at the base. The official spoke on condition of anonymity because he was not authorized to discuss the case publicly.

Sources tell News 8 that Hasan is of Jordanian descent.

A defense official speaking on condition of anonymity says Hasan was a mental health professional — an Army psychologist or psychiatrist.

It was not known whether he was treating people at the base. Officials says it was not clear what Hasan's religion was, but investigators are trying to determine if Hasan was his birth name or if he may have changed his name and converted to the Islamic faith at some point.

Cone said the soldier used two handguns in the attack. It was not clear if the gunman had stopped to reload.

A graduation ceremony for soldiers who finished college courses while deployed was going on in an auditorium at the Readiness Center at the time of the shooting, said Sgt. Rebekah Lampam, a Fort Hood spokeswoman.

Greg Schanepp, U.S. Rep. John Carter's regional director in Texas, was representing Carter at the graduation, said John Stone, a spokesman for Carter, whose district includes the Army post.

Schanepp was at the ceremony when a soldier who had been shot in the back came running toward him and alerted him of the shooting, Stone said. The soldier told Schanepp not to go in the direction of the shooter, he said. Stone said he believes Schanepp was in the theater.

The base was locked down after the shootings. The wounded were dispersed among hospitals in central Texas, Cone said.

The shootings on the Texas military base stirred memories of other recent mass shootings in the United States, including 13 dead at a New York immigrant center in March, 10 killed during a gunman's rampage across Alabama in March and 32 killed in the deadliest mass shooting in modern U.S. history at Virginia Tech in 2007.

Around the country, some bases stepped up security precautions, but no others were locked down.

"The bottom line for us is that we are increasing security at our gates because the threat hasn't yet been defined, and we're reminding our Marines to be vigilant in their areas of responsibility," said Capt. Rob Dolan, public affairs officer for the Marine Corps Air Station in Yuma, Ariz.

In Washington, President Barack Obama called the shooting "a horrific outburst of violence." He said it's a tragedy to lose a soldier overseas and even more horrifying when they come under fire at an Army base on American soil.

"We will make sure that we get answers to every single question about this horrible incident," the commander in chief said. "We are going to stay on this."

Covering 339 square miles, Fort Hood is the largest active duty armored post in the United States. Home to about 52,000 troops as of earlier this year, the sprawling base is located halfway between Austin and Waco.

About a mile from Fort Hood's east gate, Cynthia Thomas, director of Under the Hood Cafe, a local coffee shop and nonprofit military support center, has been calling soldiers and friends on the post to make sure they're OK.

"It's chaotic," Thomas said, as a SWAT team just drove by. "They're just saying that they're under attack they don't know what's going on. ... The phones are jammed. Everybody is calling family members and friends. Soldiers are running around with M-16s."

Fort Hood officially opened on Sept. 18, 1942, and was named in honor of Gen. John Bell Hood. It has been continuously used for armored training and is charged with maintaining readiness for combat missions.

The area is no stranger to the tragedy of mass shootings. In 1991, a man entered a Luby's cafeteria in Killeen and killed 24 people during a 15-minute rampage.

WFAA-TV, the Associated Press, ABC News, CNN and KWTX-TV contributed to this report.

[Koyaanisqatsi]

an Army psychologist or psychiatrist

Um.

[SlowwHand]

They're not the same thing.

Psychiatry: The medical specialty concerned with the prevention, diagnosis, and treatment of mental illness.

Psychiatrists are MDs who receive additional training and serve a supervised residency in their specialty. They may also have additional training in a psychiatric subspecialty, such as child psychiatry or neuropsychiatry. Psychiatrists can prescribe medication, which psychologists cannot do.

According to the American Psychiatric Association: "A psychiatrist is a physician who specializes in the diagnosis, treatment, and prevention of mental illnesses and substance use disorders. It takes many years of education and training to become a psychiatrist: He or she must graduate from college and then medical school, and go on to complete four years of residency training in the field of psychiatry. (Many psychiatrists undergo additional training so that they can further specialize in such areas as child and adolescent psychiatry, geriatric psychiatry, forensic psychiatry, psychopharmacology, and/or psychoanalysis.) This extensive medical training enables the psychiatrist to understand the body's functions and the complex relationship between emotional illness and other medical illnesses. The psychiatrist is thus the mental health professional and physician best qualified to distinguish between physical and psychological causes of both mental and physical distress."


psychology
Dictionary: psy·chol·o·gy (sī-kŏl'ə-jē)

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n., pl., -gies.
The science that deals with mental processes and behavior.
The emotional and behavioral characteristics of an individual, group, or activity: the psychology of war.
Subtle tactical action or argument used to manipulate or influence another: He used poor psychology on his employer when trying to make the point.
Philosophy. The branch of metaphysics that studies the soul, the mind, and the relationship of life and mind to the functions of the body.

[Ben Kenobi]

Malik Nadal Hasan

See, I was right, but then I had read about this already.

Terrible tragedy. When will we find out the list of victims, slowwy?

[Koyaanisqatsi]

They're not the same thing.

That wasn't the point of the "Um."

[SlowwHand]

Have you got a point then?

I don't know when, Ben. They have to notify relatives of the fallen.

[ShaneWalter]

I think I'd be concerned that a guy that went postal is responsible for treating people who may be suffering from mental conditions.

[BlackCat]

Just out of curiosity - how the heck did they have live ammo ?

[SlowwHand]

So would I. What are you talking about, Shane?


Quite likely they were personal firearms, BC.

[BlackCat]

Quite likely they were personal firearms, BC.

For security reasons, military people can't have live ammo for their duty (?) weapons, but there are no problem if it's for personal weapons