Is this article evil or not?

[SlowwHand]

Could you foam at the mouth a little more?

[MRT144]

Could you foam at the mouth a little more?

I've said my piece and that's all there is to it.

[SlowwHand]

That's at least twice that you've said it. I'm betting it gets said again.

[Ben Kenobi]

Yes. Absolutely. Worldwide the fatality rate now is 1/~643. It's obnoxious that you can't do basic math, and even more obnoxious that you think all illegal abortions are the same from country to country at any point in time and use that as a basis to make an argument fumbling your way through basic statistical analysis.

Planned Parenthood and NARAL assert that there were 5000 to 10000 deaths due to illegal abortion every year prior to Roe in the United States. Assuming there were 1 million abortions, that translates to a fatality rate of 1/100 - 1/200 per abortion.

If we are to accept the numbers that NARAL and PP are throwing around, this would presume that illegal abortion is actually safer in Sudan now then it was in the US back then.

You are right, I shouldn't be using the modern numbers and the worldwide statistics. I should be using the statistics PP uses back then.

You took the current mortality rate for illegal abortions worldwide, applied it to the illegal abortions from 1950-1970, and then said "HEY YOU GUYS, THE NUMBERS DON'T ADD UP! ACCORDING TO THE MATH... " You're saying that an illegal abortion anywhere in the world is exactly the same across the world at every point in time.

You are correct that I am assuming that illegal abortion rates do not differ significantly from the worldwide average. Unfortunately, I've erred in your favour not mine.

You also found some ridiculous "source" on abortion rates without even thinking about how they could possibly be inaccurate.

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Since you are unwilling to click on the link, I took the liberty of copy pasting the sources. I'm really tired of people *****ing about a source, and refusing to click on it.

Then why does the Netherlands have one of the lowest abortion rates and at the same time one of the most open societies when it comes to sexual education and contraception.

That is because they don't report all of their abortions. Funny you should mention this.

http://insidecatholic.com/Joomla/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=7043&Itemid=48

Something rarely discussed in this context, however, is the fact that it is now common practice for a woman in Holland whose period is late to go to her general-practice physician and receive a "menstrual extraction," or "menstrual regulation" -- a clever euphemism for a procedure essentially consisting in manually vacuuming the contents of her womb.

But here's the catch: In these cases, no pregnancy test is done to determine if the procedure aborted a preborn human in the first few days of life. Menstrual extractions are thus never recorded as abortions, which they almost certainly are in a large number of cases. The official Dutch statistics therefore grossly underreport the real number of abortions.

Where's your ****ing scatter plot for abortion rate and contraceptive accessibility by nation?

Just look at the US historical numbers. Contraceptive use increased, and then abortions increased.

You haven't shown **** at best and at worst you've made **** up.

You might want to actually read what I've already sourced. Where's your sources, besides the OP?

[Skanky Burns]

You know who else was anti-abortion?

That post would have been so much funnier without the image.
Just sayin.

[Kontiki]

I'm still at a loss as to where this massive abortion-giving, money-making machine is. Planned Parenthood made a profit of $85 million after receiving $350 million in government grants and contracts. Without those, it would be deeply in the red.

[Ben Kenobi]

I'm still at a loss as to where this massive abortion-giving, money-making machine is. Planned Parenthood made a profit of $85 million after receiving $350 million in government grants and contracts. Without those, it would be deeply in the red.

Hmm?

PP made a profit of 1 billion dollars in 2006. Where are you getting this 85 million from?

[loinburger]

That post would have been so much funnier without the image.
Just sayin.

It was a tossup as to whether to include it, but I ultimately decided that without it the Texan posters might not know what was going on.

[loinburger]

PP made a profit of 1 billion dollars in 2006. Where are you getting this 85 million from?

Most likely from somebody who, unlike you, knows the difference between "revenue" and "profit."

[onodera]

The more people use condoms, the more likely they are to need an abortion later on.

I won't even bother to reply to that. I'll just quote this piece of BK perverted logic.

[MRT144]

I won't even bother to reply to that. I'll just quote this piece of BK perverted logic.

Because if people don't have condoms available they aren't going to have sex.

That's the takeaway.

[Kontiki]

Hmm?

PP made a profit of 1 billion dollars in 2006. Where are you getting this 85 million from?

As loin elluded to, from their annual report. Revenue is not profit.

[Sir Og]

Ben you should seriously hope that Pulling****OutOfOne'sAss becomes a sport. You are going to be the undisputed world champion.

[Kontiki]

I see this has been dropped. Anyone want to bet against Ben continuing to parrot that PP makes $1 billion profit a year off abortions here and elsewhere in the future?

[Ben Kenobi]

Most likely from somebody who, unlike you, knows the difference between "revenue" and "profit."

I'm well aware that Revenue!= Profit.

Edit, and it appears I transposed the columns

Total profit: $114.8 million
Total income: $1.02 billion

My bad there.