The Conservative Bible Project

[Zevico]

Furthermore I haven't seen an attempt to unisex the Bible in over 30 years.

That makes me want to a politically correct bureacratese version of the bible. We need executive summary of the thing to make sense of it, so I reckon it's long past called for.

[Jon Miller]

Good luck in finding the old bibles that weren't tailored to suit the needs of the roman church... And to be fully clear I am talking about pre-Nicaea here.

Besides, according to the latest view, God didn't create earth and sky, he separated them making further life possible. Any comments ? Or is this liberal bias again ?

The Mar Thoma have a different development, they were started by the apostle Thomas (and probably other Christians) and were than removed from the Christian world for a bit.

When contact was re-established in ~300 AD, they had a different system than the rest of Christians. Also, of note was that they only had the book of Mathew, they didn't have the letters of Paul and the rest of the books of the New Testament.

Most of this is from a European historian (biased). The doings of the apostle Thomas were legendary by ~300 AD.

It would be interesting to see things from other churches which got cut off early. It is interesting to see that a lot of the ones that aren't descended from the RC have practices which more similar to Jewish practices.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mar_Thomas#The_first_Christians

JM

[Felch]

Large population growth tends to make everyone poorer, while sustainable population growth and negative population growth tends to increase wealth and prosperity.

BK already pointed out Russia. I'd like to also direct your attention to Japan. Neither country is increasing its wealth or prosperity, yet both are experiencing demographic collapse.

Historically countries with large population growth have been prosperous. This isn't even a strictly agricultural phenomenon (where large populations would allow more labor to be employed). 19th century Germany and US population growth went hand in hand with industrialization and increased wealth. 20th century Hong Kong went from a small port to a booming commercial metropolis.

Quite frankly, I'm having a tough time thinking of any examples of decreasing population correlating with increased wealth. Perhaps you could offer examples.

[Ben Kenobi]

Good luck in finding the old bibles that weren't tailored to suit the needs of the roman church... And to be fully clear I am talking about pre-Nicaea here.

You miss the entire point. Would it not simply be enough to 'go to the sources?' As for bibles, pre-Nicaea, which ones are you talking about? The most common ancient bible available is the Vulgate, which was post-Nicaea. Altering the bible to suit your own prejudices is a liberal concept, not a conservative one. Do you have any evidence of your calumny that the Vulgate was in fact altered significantly from the earlier bibles?

Besides, according to the latest view, God didn't create earth and sky, he separated them making further life possible. Any comments ? Or is this liberal bias again ?

"In the beginning, the earth was without form and void." And no, this is not the liberal bias I was referring to. Go back to the sources. Go to the original Greek and Hebrew, go to the oldest manuscripts available, which are consistant with the bibles we see later on.

Edit:

Fixed.

[Nikolai]

"Original Latin"?

Well, I agree with the liberals being a problem.

[Nikolai]

I don't think I've ever seen the word "comrade" or "volunteer" in any version of the Bible. Furthermore I haven't seen an attempt to unisex the Bible in over 30 years.

A Danish or Norwegian priest, I don't remember what nationality exactly, wanted to unisex the Bible only a year or two back.

[Asher]

AFAICT your average survey shows that, in America at least, most non-churchgoers are "spiritual but not religious." IE, they've gotten fed up with organized religion, but still have some nebulous sense of deity.

It's just part of the process. Many people can't quit cold turkey.

They have a nebulous sense of deity, but with their children not going to church (that is to say, not being indoctrinated) they're not going to have any at all.

[fed1943]

In my country - Portugal,Europe - a large majority (90%?) is Catholic.
Most of them do not go usually to the church.
Conversely, agnostic or atheists, like the others, live their daily lives according the Christian
principles.
So, do you think Christianism here is strong or weak?

[Ben Kenobi]

Well, I agree with the liberals being a problem.

Yep, and most Anglican books have already been 'feminised' so perhaps that's why the good doc hasn't noticed any changes.

Edit, grrr. Meant to say 'Original Greek and Hebrew'. I be sleepy this am.

[dannubis]

You miss the entire point. Would it not simply be enough to 'go to the sources?' As for bibles, pre-Nicaea, which ones are you talking about? The most common ancient bible available is the Vulgate, which was post-Nicaea. Altering the bible to suit your own prejudices is a liberal concept, not a conservative one. Do you have any evidence of your calumny that the Vulgate was in fact altered significantly from the earlier bibles?

No, but you don't have any evidence either it wasn´t altered to fit the needs of the Roman Church. Which IS the entire point.

[Jon Miller]

Why don't you look at the churches which were never part of the RC?

By the way, they are strong arguments against Papal Supremacy.

JM

[dannubis]

This is what I am trying to get into Ben's brain.

[MrFun]

"Original Latin"?

Well, I agree with the conservatives being a problem.

fixed

[Ben Kenobi]

No, but you don't have any evidence either it wasn´t altered to fit the needs of the Roman Church. Which IS the entire point.

It doesn't work that way. You have to prove it was altered. There is no evidence of such.

[Ben Kenobi]

Why don't you look at the churches which were never part of the RC?

Such as the non-Chalcedonians? They were a part of the church, along with everyone else at one point.

By the way, they are strong arguments against Papal Supremacy.

Not really. It was an innovation by the Byzantines who wanted a pope of their own. No different then when Henry VIII wanted to be his own pope.