227 year old zombie to testify in a court.

[Ben Kenobi]

What you need to know is that changing the border today or exiling people living there would be similar to exiling Jews from israel back to Europe and Arab countries.

I was waiting for this one. Polish people weren't exterminated in the holocaust unless they were Jews. Jewish people need a homeland.

I am not saying that Poland should not exist. I am saying that the lands that are German should be returned to Germany. This includes East Prussia and Silesia, lands that were only given to Poland because Stalin demanded that the border shift east.

Did you not catch the point I made about those eastern lands returning to Poland? I would be happy with the '19 borders including the corridor. Poland would be larger than she is now.

[Heresson]

I was waiting for this one. Polish people weren't exterminated in the holocaust unless they were Jews.

Non-jewish losses of Poles reach 3 mln, so almost exactly the same as jewish, although the percentage is much smaller.

Jewish people need a homeland.

Nah, there are dozens of nations that go on without a state. And Palestinians weren't responsible for the Holocaust.

I am not saying that Poland should not exist. I am saying that the lands that are German should be returned to Germany. This includes East Prussia and Silesia, lands that were only given to Poland because Stalin demanded that the border shift east.

These lands were german. 60 years ago. We come back to the question why would Poland agree to give a gift of 1/3 of its territory, and what would happen to people living there.

Did you not catch the point I made about those eastern lands returning to Poland? I would be happy with the '19 borders including the corridor. Poland would be larger than she is now.

There's no chance of doing it, and, being offspring of people expelled from there, I tell you I don't really want to make major changes to the current ukrainian border. Nor to the western one.
It was 60 years ago, Ben. People who remember living in the lost territories are dieing. It makes absolutely no sense to open up old wounds.

[Ben Kenobi]

Non-jewish losses of Poles reach 3 mln, so almost exactly the same as jewish, although the percentage is much smaller.

Yes, I also believe poland had one of the highest losses due to the treachery of the Russians when they backstabbed you and seized all of eastern poland, which is yours and ought to have remained yours.

Nah, there are dozens of nations that go on without a state. And Palestinians weren't responsible for the Holocaust.

Then you won't blink an eye when I say that Poles don't deserve a state. Wow. I can't believe you are saying that Jews should be pushed to the sea rather than having a homeland.

These lands were german. 60 years ago. We come back to the question why would Poland agree to give a gift of 1/3 of its territory, and what would happen to people living there.

And one could ask the question, why someone who is a judenhess, would have any moral authority to claim land that is not rightfully theirs. I sincerely hope most poles don't think the way you do.

There's no chance of doing it, and, being offspring of people expelled from there, I tell you I don't really want to make major changes to the current ukrainian border. Nor to the western one.
It was 60 years ago, Ben. People who remember living in the lost territories are dieing. It makes absolutely no sense to open up old wounds.

What you don't recognise is that the wound isn't going away just because Poland occupies it now. You don't respect Israel, so why should other nations respect Poland? Explain that one to me.

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[Heresson]

Then you won't blink an eye when I say that Poles don't deserve a state. Wow. I can't believe you are saying that Jews should be pushed to the sea rather than having a homeland.

I believe that existance of Israel is legitimate now, but wasn't 60 years ago.
Which is clear when you recall my words about that giving Germany back these lands would be like destroying Israel.

What you don't recognise is that the wound isn't going away just because Poland occupies it now.

yes it is. If you amputate an arm, you don't have it, but the wound heals.

You are thinking about it as on an abstract subject, while it's about life of 15 or so mln people in Poland and milions in Germany as well. Almost no Germans want to take back these lands. And no Poles want it too. I don't know why you are so intent on destroying the peace in Europe, and ethnic cleansing of these lands. History happens. Flight / expulsion of Germans is history. And, unlike in the case of Palestinians, expulsed / fled Poles and Germans have found their new homes, integrated into the local society or created a new one. My grandparents and my grand-grandfather is buried in this land. U was brought up here. It is my home, not some city in Ukraine or eastern Poland.