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  • #61
    Originally posted by self biased View Post
    and even then, if a child is born on mars to an American mother, doesn't that make the child American?
    Yes, this is precisely why I have dual citizenship
    "The issue is there are still many people out there that use religion as a crutch for bigotry and hate. Like Ben."
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    • #62
      Wait. Just checking into the thread for ****s and giggles.

      Is BK starting up that complete bat**** birther nonsense again? Christ on a crutch, could zakipoo actually be his DL?
      "My nation is the world, and my religion is to do good." --Thomas Paine
      "The subject of onanism is inexhaustable." --Sigmund Freud

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      • #63
        Interesting thing is under Ben-logic, any American born to parents who were overseas, say, due to a vacation, would be ineligible to be President because they weren't "natural born". Thankfully, no one with any power believes in this bull****.
        There's this thing called a 'constitution.'

        And no, Zaku is not my dl.
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        • #64
          Originally posted by Ben Kenobi View Post
          There's this thing called a 'constitution.'
          Please, tell me where the Constitution defines "natural born citizen". I'll wait as you figure you can't find it.
          “I give you a new commandment, that you love one another. Just as I have loved you, you also should love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.”
          - John 13:34-35 (NRSV)

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          • #65
            Section 1 of Article Two of the United States Constitution sets forth the eligibility requirements for serving as President of the United States:“ No person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty-five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States. ”


            Additionally, the Twelfth Amendment states that: "[N]o person constitutionally ineligible to the office of President shall be eligible to that of Vice-President of the United States." The Fourteenth Amendment, adopted in 1868, defines a "Citizen" of the United States, but not necessarily a "natural born Citizen." Its Citizenship Clause provides that "All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are Citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside."
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            • #66
              dp
              Last edited by SlowwHand; September 25, 2009, 01:05. Reason: ACS sucks lately
              Life is not measured by the number of breaths you take, but by the moments that take your breath away.
              "Hating America is something best left to Mobius. He is an expert Yank hater.
              He also hates Texans and Australians, he does diversify." ~ Braindead

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              • #67
                tp for the win.
                Life is not measured by the number of breaths you take, but by the moments that take your breath away.
                "Hating America is something best left to Mobius. He is an expert Yank hater.
                He also hates Texans and Australians, he does diversify." ~ Braindead

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                • #68
                  I'll reiterate, Sloww..

                  Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui View Post
                  Please, tell me where the Constitution defines "natural born citizen". I'll wait as you figure you can't find it.
                  Emphasis added.
                  “I give you a new commandment, that you love one another. Just as I have loved you, you also should love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.”
                  - John 13:34-35 (NRSV)

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                  • #69
                    Clause 5.

                    Life is not measured by the number of breaths you take, but by the moments that take your breath away.
                    "Hating America is something best left to Mobius. He is an expert Yank hater.
                    He also hates Texans and Australians, he does diversify." ~ Braindead

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                    • #70
                      Sloww, Clause 5 uses the term "natural born citizen" but does not define it.
                      "The issue is there are still many people out there that use religion as a crutch for bigotry and hate. Like Ben."
                      Ben Kenobi: "That means I'm doing something right. "

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                      • #71


                        He really is Sloww...
                        “I give you a new commandment, that you love one another. Just as I have loved you, you also should love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.”
                        - John 13:34-35 (NRSV)

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                        • #72
                          Btw, in addition, US State Department states:

                          Despite widespread popular belief, U.S. military installations abroad and U.S. diplomatic or consular facilities are not part of the United States within the meaning of the 14th Amendment. A child born on the premises of such a facility is not subject to the jurisdiction of the United States and does not acquire U.S. citizenship by reason of birth.


                          So McCain, born in the Panama Canal Zone was not born in the United States. He's a "natural born citizen" because his parents were Americans when he was born "overseas".
                          “I give you a new commandment, that you love one another. Just as I have loved you, you also should love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.”
                          - John 13:34-35 (NRSV)

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                          • #73
                            Imran, you're a dickhead. The intent is clear. If you want to be ignorant about it 200 years after the fact, have at it.
                            Life is not measured by the number of breaths you take, but by the moments that take your breath away.
                            "Hating America is something best left to Mobius. He is an expert Yank hater.
                            He also hates Texans and Australians, he does diversify." ~ Braindead

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                            • #74
                              The intent is clear?! Obviously not if we have debates over what it means in the context of President Obama or Senator McCain.

                              In addition:



                              Since there was no definition of "natural born citizen" found in the constitution, the majority adopted the common law of England that was a carry over from feudal times.


                              Ie, I win again. Enjoy the pwnage.
                              “I give you a new commandment, that you love one another. Just as I have loved you, you also should love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.”
                              - John 13:34-35 (NRSV)

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                              • #75
                                "My nation is the world, and my religion is to do good." --Thomas Paine
                                "The subject of onanism is inexhaustable." --Sigmund Freud

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