ACORN: Housing Assistance For Prostitutes

[Asher]

But why? You think a trained journalist and postgrad-educated adult couldn't be smart enough to realize that stretching out the releases to post-date the target's response would both maximize the impact of the point being made and also prolong the attention-whore orgasm?

Yes.

Christ, a trained monkey could figure that out. It's not that GOP strategists wouldn't tend to be interested or that this duo wouldn't tend to take their advice, but rather that they don't need any advice on the best method to prolong the controversy. It's common sense.

It's not common sense, why do you think PR firms are so successful? A lot of people are a lot dumber than you think.

Take, for instance, people who don't understand the probable connection between the GOP and these people, seeing as the GOP has actively targeted ACORN for quite a while.

[Darius871]

Seriously, when you deliberately drag on a troll of Serb as long as humanly possible, is that somehow evidence that you're in league with Georgian intelligence?

[Asher]

Seriously, when you deliberately drag on a troll of Serb as long as humanly possible, is that somehow evidence that you're in league with Georgian intelligence?

Are you demonstrating stupidity here to help my point or to piss me off?

[Asher]

I troll Apple users excessively and I am in league with Microsoft.

QED.

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It's highly likely that there's a connection, but not 100% proven.

Originally I too thought they just had a grudge and wanted them gone, but the more incidents that come to light makes me think that maybe there is just cause here.

Just because there's a hatchet job doesn't mean there is nothing terribly wrong going on here. This stuff is pretty damning.

[ColdWizard]

Yes.


It's not common sense, why do you think PR firms are so successful? A lot of people are a lot dumber than you think.

Take, for instance, people who don't understand the probable connection between the GOP and these people, seeing as the GOP has actively targeted ACORN for quite a while.

If either of them is a sports fan, they could see the impact of the lengthy Favre saga and that stupid baseball list.

[Darius871]

It's not common sense, why do you think PR firms are so successful? A lot of people are a lot dumber than you think.

Of course some people are dumb, and some people may be book-smart but people-dumb enough to let some PR firm game them into thinking their work has value, but that has nothing to do with something as painfully obvious as the fact that three videos in two weeks makes for a longer and stronger controversy than three videos in one day. ANYONE who has had daily experiences with things like "time" and "memory" could figure this out, as could any GED-grad who paid attention to how Brett Favre's incessant back-and-forth vaccillating this summer made joining the Vikes a much bigger deal than it had to be.

How is the below not common sense?

Three videos in one day = people forget quickly

Three videos in two weeks = people forget less quickly

Do you really need a PR firm to figure that out for you? It's such a ****ing universal truism that I have to assume you're being deliberately obtuse.

Are you demonstrating stupidity here to help my point or to piss me off?

Explain to me what's wrong with the analogy. Trolls don't make one post and go away. They extend the controversy as long as possible, because that's their goal. Just like these two trolls. It doesn't mean anything.

[Asher]

Of course some people are dumb, and some people may be book-smart but people-dumb enough to let some PR firm game them into thinking their work has value, but that has nothing to do with something as painfully obvious as the fact that three videos in two weeks makes for a longer and stronger controversy than three videos in one day. ANYONE who has had daily experiences with things like "time" and "memory" could figure this out. It's such a ****ing truism I have to assume you're being deliberately obtuse.

I think you have misplaced faith in the intelligence of these people. I'm not being obtuse, you grossly overestimate the intellectual capacity of the average person.

The first instinct of a great many people would be to release all of the videos at once. That indicates that it's not just a "one-off" right away, gets their point out there.

You make lots of faulty assumptions in retrospection. What they did here would not be immediately obvious to most people.

Explain to me what's wrong with the analogy.

Georgian Intelligence has never targeted Serb.

[Darius871]

I think you have misplaced faith in the intelligence of these people. I'm not being obtuse, you grossly overestimate the intellectual capacity of the average person.

The first instinct of a great many people would be to release all of the videos at once. That indicates that it's not just a "one-off" right away, gets their point out there.

You make lots of faulty assumptions in retrospection. What they did here would not be immediately obvious to most people.

Nobody underestimates the average person more than me, but I don't know where you're getting the idea that these two are average people. A journalism major and a law student of course would have a better sense than Homer Simpson that repeated stimuli over an extended period would prolong a news story more than a single stimulus. It's basic human psychology that anybody who picks up a paper would know. Why do you think the phrase "15 minutes of fame" has become ubiquitous in the colloquial lexicon? It's a product of our common experience as consumers of news and pop culture, so any educated troll would know to avoid that experience with the extremely simple method we're seeing.

Georgian Intelligence has never targeted Serb.

They target Russia and he represents Russia, but actually your Apple-Microsoft analogy gets out of this problem entirely. Does Microsoft not target Apple? An entire marketing apparatus and even a few explicit ads show that it does.

By your logic, you must be, or at least probably are, utterly dependent on Microsoft's advice. Obviously you couldn't figure out the simple concepts of time and stimulus without the help of a PR firm.

[Kuciwalker]

Do you really need a PR firm to figure that out for you? It's such a ****ing universal truism that I have to assume you're being deliberately obtuse.

Deliberate obtuseness is Asher's MO whenever he says something stupid.

[Asher]

Nobody underestimates the average person more than me, but I don't know where you're getting the idea that these two are average people. A journalism major

Journalism majors are some of the dumbest people I've ever met. That's why journalism is such poor quality.

a law student

Student doesn't mean anything til he gets it.

They target Russia and he represents Russia, but actually your Apple-Microsoft analogy gets out of this problem entirely. Does Microsoft not target Apple? An entire marketing apparatus and even a few explicit ads show that it does.

By your logic, you must be, or at least probably are, utterly dependent on Microsoft's advice. Obviously you couldn't figure out the simple concepts of time and stimulus without the help of a PR firm.

Perhaps you should figure out the simple concepts in my argument before you make ridiculous extensions to them that look an awful lot like a strawman.

You asked why your analogy failed, I answered. Serb is not an agent of Russia and Georgian Intelligence never targeted him, which is why your analogy was off-base.

As for my Microsoft-Apple analogy, which WAS a valid analogy, I suggest you do some research. In recent weeks MS has been doing exactly what you seem to implying they're not -- they are quite literally providing people (including Best Buy salesmen) literature explaining how to "troll" Mac and Linux users.

My analogy was both valid and damning to your case.

[Asher]

Do you really need a PR firm to figure that out for you? It's such a ****ing universal truism that I have to assume you're being deliberately obtuse.

Deliberate obtuseness is Asher's MO whenever he says something stupid.

Actually, it's your MO to just dismiss me as being obtuse rather than getting into an argument with me. It's not being obtuse to make some rather obvious connections and evaluate the probability of the GOP connection. To be obtuse is to deny that it is probable, if anything.

[Darius871]

Journalism majors are some of the dumbest people I've ever met. That's why journalism is such poor quality.


Student doesn't mean anything til he gets it.

Oh god, this truly is pointless. If you can't even acknowledge that a graduate of ANY college major and/or someone with impeccable enough credentials for admission to the #15 top-tier law school in the enitre country is vastly more able than the "average person" to recognize that three releases get more media attention than one (which really any "average person" would recognize anyway), this truly is hopeless.

As for my Microsoft-Apple analogy, which WAS a valid analogy, I suggest you do some research. In recent weeks MS has been doing exactly what you seem to implying they're not -- they are quite literally providing people (including Best Buy salesmen) literature explaining how to "troll" Mac and Linux users.

My analogy was both valid and damning to your case.

That still doesn't advance your point. Just because they take the time to give people tips on how to troll, that doesn't mean people with half a brain are somehow incapable of figuring that out for themselves. That's the point here. Three trolls accomplish more than one. It's common sense. FFS, it's BASIC MATH. 3 > 1. This has been broken down to the simplest three characters possible, and you still pretend not to get it. I'm done with this.

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Yeah, Asher, I too have to admit that your elitism is showing.
My mother was a journalism major and she was not stupid.

Limit yourself to facts instead of your highly biased opinions and you'll do better. You don't need to resort to those tactics.

[Asher]

Oh god, this truly is pointless. If you can't even acknowledge that a graduate of ANY college major and/or someone with impeccable enough credentials for admission to the #15 top-tier law school in the enitre country is vastly more able than the "average person" to recognize that three releases get more media attention than one (which really any "average person" would recognize anyway), this truly is hopeless.

People are smart in different areas, someone who may be a legal genius with legalese and can get into a decent college for law school isn't necessarily adept with making decisions with largely social implications. Some of the most socially stupid people I've ever met have PhD or Masters. Academic success does not equate to strength in social reasoning and cognition.

That still doesn't advance your point. Just because they take the time to give people tips on how to troll, that doesn't mean people with half a brain are somehow incapable of figuring that out for themselves.

You have to get out of this strawman habit if you want to be a real lawyer. I never said they're incapable of figuring it out on their own. I'm just saying it's highly likely the GOP is somehow involved in here in some way, and that people are dumber than you think.

My position and statements aren't as rigid as you are portraying them to be. If you re-read the thread with both eyes open and your mind focused, you may find out all I'm saying is we don't know the GOP is involved and I think it is highly likely. I think these people may've contacted the GOP after their findings to see how they wanted to proceed and use it -- eg, maybe they wanted to time this bombshell for a later date (before another election?). I think the GOP is in the loop on this, just like they were with Swiftboat.

And if you think the GOP had nothing to do with Swiftboat, I wouldn't be surprised.

That's the point here.

If that's your point, then you need to comprehend what is being said because it was a strawman.

I'm done with this.

Oh, you were a while ago, you just kept typing.