ACORN: Housing Assistance For Prostitutes

[Asher]

I never said what I personally "think" happened here, because I'm willing to admit we don't have the necessary facts. I'm just proposing a scenario that is no less probable than your own speculation based on the groundless assumption that these two adults 1) must be utterly devoid of financial resources and time over a summer break and 2) must be too ****ing retarded to observe and circumvent the fickle news cycle that is familiar to any moderately educated consumer of pop culture. Of course I agree that those assumptions would make it seem certain that they're pathetically dependent on expert advice from the vast right-wing conspiracy, but I simply don't accept either assumption in the first place and can propose a plausible alternative to each: 1) rich ****** 2) who have flipped on the news in their lifetimes.



Don't be silly. There are no shortage of rich kids who, having every financial factor in their favor, settle for stroking their inflated egos by other means such as notoriety in pop culture and/or power trips in government service. The Kennedys, Rockefellers, etc. had more than enough old money floating around and yet they didn't just sit around the pool from cradle to grave. Come on.

Simple question: Do you think these two people acted completely independently and colluded with and received funding from no one?

[Darius871]

Simple question: Do you think these two people acted completely independently and colluded with and received funding from no one?

Simple answer: I, like you, am without facts necessary to drawing a conclusion one way or the other, and I, unlike you, will not substitute assumptions for facts to draw a conclusion.

I only think that it is certainly plausible, without attaching a numerical probability, that wealthy twentysomethings with an afternoon of planning and some familiarity with the media could easily pull this off. FFS, with a suitcase full of cash and a clear summer break I could have pulled this off. That doesn't mean I discount the possibility of colluding and/or funding from a right-wing organization of some sort, but I'm not going to declare one scenario more probable than the other without more facts. It's just that simple.

[Asher]

Simple answer: I, like you, am without facts necessary to drawing a conclusion one way or the other, and I, unlike you, will not substitute assumptions for facts to draw a conclusion.

Weak sauce. We virtually never know anything with absolute certainty.

What separates the indecisive simpletons from the men is having a good gut instinct and making good assumptions.

I only think that it is certainly plausible, without attaching a numerical probability, that wealthy twentysomethings with some planning and familiarity with the media could easily pull this off. ****, with a suitcase full of cash and a clear summer break

Plausible, but not likely. Not likely at all.

[Darius871]

What separates the indecisive simpletons from the men is having a good gut instinct and making good assumptions.

Bush would be proud.

Plausible, but not likely. Not likely at all.

You clearly haven't met many of the type of people I'm talking about.

[Asher]

Bush would be proud.





You clearly haven't met many of the type of people I'm talking about.

Bush ignored some facts and fabricated others. It's not the same thing.

[Darius871]

Bush ignored some facts and fabricated others. It's not the same thing.

Ahh, so as long as you stick to fabrication everything's hunky-dory. This may be sig material, at least for a while.

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[Asher]

Ahh, so as long as you stick to fabrication everything's hunky-dory. This may be sig material, at least for a while.

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I didn't fabricate any facts as they were not labeled facts, but clearly prefaced as assumptions.

I'm afraid I don't have time tonight to explain to you what an assumption is.

Perhaps you could take time away from your legal classes to understand probability and intuition.

[Darius871]

facts schmacts

[Darius871]

BTW, the New York Post got out their side of the story today. Obviously it's a given that they must be lying liars telling lies, but at least they're plausible ones. And she's so brutally hot that I have to believe them. QED

Duo who turned this trick

By LACHLAN CARTWRIGHT and JEREMY OLSHAN

Posted: 5:51 AM, September 16, 2009

The two conservative activists who captured ACORN employees giving advice on the sex trade and money-laundering only play a pimp and prostitute on video.



In real life, Hannah Giles, 20, isn't a lady of the night. She's a minister's daughter studying journalism at Florida International University.

And James E. O'Keefe III, 25, a Fordham MBA student from New Jersey, isn't a pimp so much as a provocateur -- determined to expose what he sees as the hypocrisies and moral lapses of liberals by employing their own tactics against them.

The pair met last year on Facebook after O'Keefe posted his own gotcha videos, showing Planned Parenthood employees agreeing to his request to earmark his donations for the abortions of African-American babies.

After Giles proposed the ACORN video-sting idea, O'Keefe -- who started making the videos while a student at Rutgers University -- pounced on it. "Why go after ACORN?" Giles asked. "Because I love America, I love God, and corrupt institutions don't help that."

After six weeks of research, Giles said they scavenged together their cos tumes from friends, except for the pimp coat, which was on loan from O'Keefe's grandmother.

In total, the project cost them $1,300.

They did the job entirely on their own and paid for it themselves, they said.

The two never became romantically involved, Giles said. "We're too good as business partners for that -- and besides, he has a girlfriend," she said.

O'Keefe contends their tactics are "the future of activism and investigative reporting."

"This is now my full-time job," he said.

http://www.nypost.com/f/print/news/n...twmSXxhfVELmZL

[Drake Tungsten]

He shoulda hit that.

[Asher]

Least we now know they ARE nutjobs. I also don't trust what they say, so whatever.

[Darius871]

He shoulda hit that.

He got so close in that picture too...

[Drake Tungsten]

Unsurprisingly, the ****hole that is San Diego is the latest city to have its ACORN office busted.

[Darius871]

There's a fifth? Or is this another voter fraud thing?

[Drake Tungsten]

A fifth...