Oh oh oh oh, Mr. Obama

[Asher]

Same old Asher. Whats the matter dearie, is it that time of the month for you? Perhaps you've been aggravating those hemorrhoids more than usual?

I've always had an incredibly low tolerance of stupidity. You, of all people, have experienced that with alarming regularity.

[RGBVideo]

We also find that more countries than ever before are following America's revolutionary economic message of free enterprise, low taxes, and open world trade. These days, whenever I see foreign leaders, they tell me about their plans for reducing taxes and other economic reforms that they're using, copying what we have done here in our country. I wonder if they realize that this vision of economic freedom -- the freedom to work, to create and produce, to own and use property without the interference of the state -- was central to the American Revolution when the American colonists rebelled against a whole web of economic restrictions, taxes, and barriers to free trade. The message at the Boston Tea Party -- have you studied yet in history about the Boston Tea Party, where, because of a tax, they went down and dumped the tea in the harbor? Well, that was America's original tax revolt.

so are you disputing this. that england had higher taxes and more of a protectionist trade policy than US in the late 18th century

because if you're not, he pointed out a historical fact about the origins of his country, and history lessons aren't partisan if there's a consensus about the subject.

[Theben]

Spending an hour of class time and giving teachers lesson plans? Can you spell indoctrination?

Don't you have your own country to worry about?

[Asher]

so are you disputing this. that england had higher taxes and more of a protectionist trade policy than US in the late 18th century

because if you're not, he pointed out a historical fact about the origins of his country, and history lessons aren't partisan if there's a consensus about the subject.

I'm going to grant you a pass as English is not your first language and you may not be fully versed in Republican mantras.

Look at the first part of the passage:

We also find that more countries than ever before are following America's revolutionary economic message of free enterprise, low taxes, and open world trade. These days, whenever I see foreign leaders, they tell me about their plans for reducing taxes and other economic reforms that they're using, copying what we have done here in our country.

I don't think the foreign leaders are talking about what America did in the 1700s.

What he's doing is reciting the Republican doctrine. To Republicans, to be "American" is to be supporter of "free enterprise, low taxes, and open world trade". It's the same shtick that plays into the accusations that socialists are not patriotic, and the same reason you've got patriotic rednecks calling people who don't believe in the same values "morans".

It was a partisan message to anyone who knows the basic gameplan of the Republicans. Perhaps I was too hasty in accusing Spencer of not reading it, it is probably likely he did read it but is not very perceptive or insightful.

It reads like a slightly toned down script of what you'd hear at a John McCain speech. "Lower taxes! Free enterprise! Free trade!" Equating these positions to "American" values is actually quite subversive, but it has been alarmingly successful.

In fact, if you paid attention at all to the American election, these are some of the main sticking points of Republicans vs Democrats in many elections.

[SlowwHand]

Bobby Kennedy would have been a good prez.

[RGBVideo]

gg asher

"Lower taxes! Free enterprise! Free trade!" Equating these positions to "American" values is actually quite subversive, but it has been alarmingly successful.

they are the original "american" policies, for they were government policies in use immediately after US was founded

saying that they were original US policies and that they affected US in the first decades of US independence is not the same thing as saying that they are good political policies.

I'm going to grant you a pass as English is not your first language and you may not be fully versed in Republican mantras.[...]

We also find that more countries than ever before are following America's revolutionary economic message of free enterprise, low taxes, and open world trade. These days, whenever I see foreign leaders, they tell me about their plans for reducing taxes and other economic reforms that they're using, copying what we have done here in our country. I wonder if they realize that this vision of economic freedom -- the freedom to work, to create and produce, to own and use property without the interference of the state -- was central to the American Revolution when the American colonists rebelled against a whole web of economic restrictions, taxes, and barriers to free trade. The message at the Boston Tea Party -- have you studied yet in history about the Boston Tea Party, where, because of a tax, they went down and dumped the tea in the harbor? Well, that was America's original tax revolt.

so are you disputing this. that england had higher taxes and more of a protectionist trade policy than US in the late 18th century

I don't think the foreign leaders are talking about what America did in the 1700s.
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In fact, if you paid attention at all to the American election, these are some of the main sticking points of Republicans vs Democrats in many elections.

you originally talked about the part of the speech which talked about US policy in the 18th century. i pointed out that it was a historical fact and thus a history lesson which is non-partisan unless it's disputed academic discussions. you then make a couple of "lol you're a moron" comments and ignore my point by saying that you were really talking about the part of the speech where he pointed out that a lot of other countries were adopting original US trade policies in the 1980s

or in other words strawman fallacy, continued up with a change of goalposts. we could go on with this all day, couldn't we?

well, we're talking on different planes of discussion, it seems. i considered this as a theoretical discussion on what's considered politically partisan and what's actually a non-partisan lesson of history. you're only looking for a way to prop up/down the political party of your choice . congrats dumbass, you've wasted everyone's time without convincing anyone.

[Ben Kenobi]

Don't you have your own country to worry about?

Yeah, I do, it's called 'America'.

[Imran Siddiqui]

Christ, VJ, you are incredibly dense. You are making the mistake that lefties make when they think Reagan was a dunce. He knew what he was doing there as he was fighting the Democrats at the time on lowering taxes and free trade.

Btw, even if we subscribe to the asinine assumption that it ONLY referred to the 18th Century, the US was HARDLY for open world trade. Protectionist tariffs were passed over and over again.

[Ben Kenobi]

the US was HARDLY for open world trade. Protectionist tariffs were passed over and over again.

Well of course. Occasionally it has been ruled by the tribe called 'democrats'.

[loinburger]

The Smoot-Hawley tariff was a Republican beast, as any non-Canadian would well know

[Ramo]

It's true. Obama's speech is partisan indoctrination. Staying in school (through grad school) makes one likely to vote Democratic.

[The Mad Monk]

I pledge to be a servant of the President

I pledge

I pledge

I pledge

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You didn't find that at least a little freaky, Imran?

How about the rest of you?

[Ben Kenobi]

The Smoot-Hawley tariff was a Republican beast, as any non-Canadian would well know

So the 20th century is the 19th? They were talking bout tariffs in the 19th century. The reason it was passed is because things were thought to be too free under the Rupublican sweep in the roaring 20's.

[notyoueither]

Don't you have your own country to worry about?

We hope not.

[loinburger]

What did you people do to get him to leave, and do you think it would work twice?