Oh oh oh oh, Mr. Obama

[Theben]

Didn't Buckley outline the neocon mantra? Are you sure you want another one like that?

[DinoDoc]

Didn't Buckley outline the neocon mantra? Are you sure you want another one like that?

No. That was a commie.

[Ben Kenobi]

MSNBC's Joe Scarborough urged his fellow Republicans

He means his fellow dumbocrats.

[Elok]

Yep, it's about as stupid as I thought. If this rash of spectacular dingbattery in the halls of power turns out to be a prelude to the collapse of U.S. Government, is anyone else on here from MD's Eastern Shore, and interested in forming a commune for mutual support and defense against the roving bands of marauders?

[Imran Siddiqui]

Didn't Buckley outline the neocon mantra? Are you sure you want another one like that?

What?!!

Are you confusing Kristol with Buckley?

[MrFun]

Why is Ben willfully making an idiot out of himself here?

Because you're his role model.

[Flubber]

I saw an outline of Obama's speech compared to the themes in BUsh I and Reagans school speeches. They seemed similar in terms of the amount of school and other political content

[MrFun]

Flubber, that does not assure hysterical uber-Republican parents.

[rah]

This is not really worthy of any serious discussion.
And for the record, any speech by a politician is political by definition.

[Patroklos]

This would not be a problem if Obama could just refrain from using language that constitutes personal servatude. In this case I don't think he really meant to come off that way, but since it happens to coincide with that absolutely retarded Hollywood "I pledge" video nobody can be surprised that people made a natural connection.

[MrFun]

So you hated JFK's speech of servitude, "ask not what your country can do for you . . ." speech, Patty?

[Patroklos]

I saw an outline of Obama's speech compared to the themes in BUsh I and Reagans school speeches. They seemed similar in terms of the amount of school and other political content

They have since removed the offending language.

So you hated JFK's speech of servitude, "ask not what your country can do for you . . ." speech, Patty?

Personal servitude MF, PERSONAL servitude.

The difference may be lost on you, but for someone in the profession I am in it makes a hell of a lot of difference.

[MrFun]

I don't see Obama's speech as coming across being personal servitude. Are you one of those whackos who equate Obama with being Hitler-like in pursuit of more personal power?

[Patroklos]

I don't see Obama's speech as coming across being personal servitude. Are you one of those whackos who equate Obama with being Hitler-like in pursuit of more personal power?

No, but your readiness to resort to that comparison shows pretty clearly the weekness of your position.

Let us review what I wrote:

This would not be a problem if Obama could just refrain from using language that constitutes personal servatude. In this case I don't think he really meant to come off that way, but since it happens to coincide with that absolutely retarded Hollywood "I pledge" video nobody can be surprised that people made a natural connection.

He used very poor lanuage, but I don't think he really wants an oath of loyalty to himself personally. He is used to running in circles that worship him, and his speech writers write a lot of speeches to pander to this fact. They screwed up, and they have since corrected it. And it is a minor mistake, but it comes in an enviroment where there are many prominent people who are personally loyal to Obama and are very vocal about it.

I have no doubt that Obama genuienly believes that each of his personal opinions are the correct course of action to help America, and when he asked for people to help him he just meant help America. He has to remember who and why he is talking to certain people. If he had simply said "help America" as opposed to "help the president" then that would allow any school children who don't agree with his personal goals to still walk away with an inspiring message, ie pursing and being involved with helping America in their own fashion as opposed to Obama's.

[SpencerH]

No one saw the speech prior to the backlash so we dont know how far it was going to push the envelope. We do know, however, that the planned and now dropped 'lesson plans' were viewed by many people as being too partisan for the audience.

Wouldnt it be nice if just one politician would actually say "sorry we ****ed up, we didnt think it would be taken that way" instead of vomiting forth the usual nauseating spin.