Seperate and Unequal

[Kuciwalker]

To elaborate: when I visited Israel last summer, it really did feel like it was under siege. Obviously this case was wrong, and the racism against Arabs is unjustified (especially Arab-Israeli citizens), but it I am more sympathetic to it than most racism.

[KrazyHorse]

I don't particularly care what you are more sympathetic to, Kuci.

Israeli Arabs are actually SURPRISINGLY unlikely to actually engage in terrorism. "Feeling under siege" isn't an excuse or justification for straight-up racism. There's something quite rotten in a society that allows this type of discrimination. It's not a rational reaction to the danger posed by Israeli CITIZENS of Arab heritage. Or have you learned nothing from the lesson of Japanese internment camps?

[KrazyHorse]

"People react irrationally, so it's okay if they react irrationally" appears to be your justification...

[Kuciwalker]

There's a difference between racism provoked by experiences imposed upon someone and racism provoked by experiences you imposed. Thus the difference (at least, historically) between white and black racism.

[KrazyHorse]

There's a difference between racism provoked by experiences imposed upon someone and racism provoked by experiences you imposed

First off, on the victimization scale I think it's a bit ridiculous to compare Jews in the ME over the last 60 years to blacks in America. Israel is, and has been for quite some time, able to impose its will on the Arab states as well as on Arabs in the occupied territories. Inside Israel, it's pretty obvious who's been getting the short end of the stick.

Secondly, this is not a question about racist ATTITUDES of individuals. This is a question about racism as allowed (encouraged?) by a government and a society as a whole.

[Imran Siddiqui]

I'm on the fence as to whether or not loin was serious

Loin is never serious.


Anyway, funny to see the ***** on thread who immediately assume the girl was from Palestine and therefore its ok to discriminate against her. Both for the not bothering to read that she was an Isreali citizen (Jim Crow FTW!) and for thinking a one year old from Palestine should be shunned because of other Palestinians (guilt by association FTW!)

[Imran Siddiqui]

DP FTL

(this macbook pro I'm using - my sister in law's - sucks )

[Theben]

FTL dp FTW

[Blaupanzer]

There's a difference between racism provoked by experiences imposed upon someone and racism provoked by experiences you imposed. Thus the difference (at least, historically) between white and black racism.

Kuci, you know better than this. Is this a deliberate troll in which you feign ignorance to see what comes out of the woodwork? Because on its own, this is an absolutely false justification for doing the wrong thing. The Arab citizens of Israel have the same rights as the non-Arabs (read: Jews) theoretically, but the process is "separate and unequal." The little girl is one more victim and the adults around her are citizens of Israel, NOT Pal. "terrorists."

[Kuciwalker]

Try rereading my posts.

[Blaupanzer]

There's a difference between racism provoked by experiences imposed upon someone and racism provoked by experiences you imposed. Thus the difference (at least, historically) between white and black racism.

This is the post that concerned me. It implies that at least one type of racism is justified.

[Japher]

I agree, if some else is racists then it's racism, if I am racists than it's not racism... huh?

[Jon Miller]

Other than all the soldiers, and the real serious security at the airport, I didn't feel particularly under siege in Israel.

JM

[Ben Kenobi]

to discriminate against her. Both for the not bothering to read that she was an Isreali citizen (Jim Crow FTW!) and for thinking a one year old from Palestine should be shunned because of other Palestinians (guilt by association FTW!)

Is it discrimination if she has an actual future in Israel?

[Sirotnikov]

By the way, black people in the US are far, far, far more likely to commit murder than are Arab Israelis.

Where are you pulling that bold statement out of?

Not that I claim otherwise, but I doubt you really went and checked this.