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Originally posted by Kidicious View PostWhy anyone listens to people like him complain about others is beyond me but that's what we're dealing with now. Let's just hope rules will be enforced if we're going to have them.Keep on Civin'
RIP rah, Tony Bogey & Baron O
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There seems to be little desire, in general, for rules and moderation from Polytubbies.
There certainly does seem to be a desire for selective enforcement of rules and selective moderation.
There is much to be said for chilling out, and not getting knickers in a knot about other posters.
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Originally posted by Ming View PostThis coming from a guy who simply insults people or tells them to shut up. Yeah if rules are going to be enforced, you probably won't like what happens to youI drank beer. I like beer. I still like beer. ... Do you like beer Senator?
- Justice Brett Kavanaugh
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I have been trying very hard to avoid engaging Kid and Ben since their returns. And every time I slip in my resolve, almost unfailingly, in his own special way, each demonstrates how right my instinct is. The only downside is that I can't post in very many OT threads. Not a big loss for Poly, I grant you.
Do I think threadjacking is a serious problem here? Yes.
Do I think Ben and Kid are being treated poorly, including unwarranted personal attacks? Yes.
So, do I think we need to change the rules? No.
Originally posted by Ben Kenobi View Post...the core issue, of people not wanting to read opinions that they disagree with...
First, most everyone here knows your opinion on every topic that's important to you. Relentless repetition does that.
Second, it's your intellectual dishonesty and twisting of arguments, not your actual opinions, that no one wants to deal with.
Third, your self-aggrandizing persecution complex grows ever more tiresome. Get off the pity pot.
n.b. -- Ben, if a self-imposed "I don't start political threads" policy is your excuse for jacking off all over any thread that, in your personal opinion and however tangentially, might touch on your current set of religious and/or political beliefs, PLEASE, for the love of all that is good and right in this world, go back to starting political threads.
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Originally posted by -Jrabbit View Postn.b. -- Ben, if a self-imposed "I don't start political threads" policy is your excuse for jacking off all over any thread that, in your personal opinion and however tangentially, might touch on your current set of religious and/or political beliefs, PLEASE, for the love of all that is good and right in this world, go back to starting political threads.
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Do I think threadjacking is a serious problem here? Yes.
Do I think Ben and Kid are being treated poorly, including unwarranted personal attacks? Yes.
So, do I think we need to change the rules? No.
The only downside is that I can't post in very many OT threadsScouse Git (2) La Fayette Adam Smith Solomwi and Loinburger will not be forgotten.
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Originally posted by Ben Kenobi View PostI think the real solution instead of an imposed one is to simple *ask* that poster X not post in your thread, rather than some heavy handed moderation solution. It's a social problem with a social solution.
I've mostly abided by my personal rule of not posting my own political threads. I'm willing to abide with the "do not post in my threads" with one exception - anything concerning the Catholic church. Given that it's my faith I think it should be fair game. I think both of these is a good compromise. People get some of what they want, I get some of what I want. I've already sort of done that by signaling what threads I won't post in, "ie, threads with ****" in the title. That seemed to be working well.
Also - the whole, 'post is boring, let's ban, seems to me an even WORSE idea. Who defines 'boring'?
Also, I'd like to see a return of the rule of deleting threads attacking posters. We had that before. Posters right now feel that they are free to say whatever they like without repercussions. That's not really helping things. Poster A says that Poster B is the devil, and then goes around attacking poster B for 'making arguments he doesn't like. The inmates run the asylum now, Aeson.
But I'm not sure any of this will resolve the core issue, of people not wanting to read opinions that they disagree with being contrary to what's in the best interest of Poly. I think, really, the best solution is to just tell the folks who are complaining about views they don't like to just live with it. The more they feel that their views ought to be catered to in moderation, the demands will continue. If they feel that by complaining enough they will get what they will want - you've established a reward cycle.
I really suggest, for once, not rewarding them."Aha, you must have supported the Iraq war and wear underpants made out of firearms, just like every other American!" Loinburger
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Originally posted by Kidicious View PostIMO allowing posters to say horrible, uncivilized things about each other poisoned the environment. There's no sense in trying to make any real improvements unless this is changed.
It really doesn't take a genius to see where the poison is coming from.
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Originally posted by kentonio View PostNice spin doctoring. What actually happens is you say something vile about women, or Ben says something vile about.. well anything really. Other posters are then disgusted by what they've just read and call whoever wrote it a sick bigoted ****-puppet. You two then cry foul about how people are being nasty to you.
It really doesn't take a genius to see where the poison is coming from.I drank beer. I like beer. I still like beer. ... Do you like beer Senator?
- Justice Brett Kavanaugh
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Indeed. However I would be the first to say that there should be a clear set of forum rules, as I think there already are, and if these two are not breaking them, they have the freedom to say these things - as we have the freedom to respond, or not, as the case may be..."Aha, you must have supported the Iraq war and wear underpants made out of firearms, just like every other American!" Loinburger
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I've never said anything vile about women you damn liar
from like two minutes ago:
[it's] stupid to date women who claim to have been raped."The Christian way has not been tried and found wanting, it has been found to be hard and left untried" - GK Chesterton.
"The most obvious predicition about the future is that it will be mostly like the past" - Alain de Botton
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Originally posted by -Jrabbit View PostI have been trying very hard to avoid engaging Kid and Ben since their returns. And every time I slip in my resolve, almost unfailingly, in his own special way, each demonstrates how right my instinct is. The only downside is that I can't post in very many OT threads. Not a big loss for Poly, I grant you.
Do I think threadjacking is a serious problem here? Yes.
Do I think Ben and Kid are being treated poorly, including unwarranted personal attacks? Yes.
So, do I think we need to change the rules? No.
This is SO not the core issue.
First, most everyone here knows your opinion on every topic that's important to you. Relentless repetition does that.
Second, it's your intellectual dishonesty and twisting of arguments, not your actual opinions, that no one wants to deal with.
Third, your self-aggrandizing persecution complex grows ever more tiresome. Get off the pity pot.
n.b. -- Ben, if a self-imposed "I don't start political threads" policy is your excuse for jacking off all over any thread that, in your personal opinion and however tangentially, might touch on your current set of religious and/or political beliefs, PLEASE, for the love of all that is good and right in this world, go back to starting political threads.
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Good luck, Aeson.I drank beer. I like beer. I still like beer. ... Do you like beer Senator?
- Justice Brett Kavanaugh
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no i called you illiterate, JR merely agreed with me."The Christian way has not been tried and found wanting, it has been found to be hard and left untried" - GK Chesterton.
"The most obvious predicition about the future is that it will be mostly like the past" - Alain de Botton
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