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  • #76
    No, you're not getting it. Take Steven Hawkings for example - on his own, disabled, but as a member of our species he makes us better. Consider the species as a single entity. "Disabled" generally refers to only one or a small number of traits, while individuals are comprised of hundreds, or perhaps thousands of traits that relate to fitness.

    In terms of the individual, in the human - or many other group species - "fitness" could be defined as "most cooperative". Although in reality, as I said above, there are many facets of fitness.
    That is true, but we aren't all Stephen Hawking. Would you regard all disabled people without exceptional abilities in one aspect to be unfit?
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    • #77
      Why will you not apologize, Ben?

      You are -- quite seriously -- a bad Christian.
      "The issue is there are still many people out there that use religion as a crutch for bigotry and hate. Like Ben."
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      • #78
        After what you said on Sunday? Calling a spade a spade.
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        • #79
          So you admit, then, that you intentionally slandered me.

          I'm also amused that you don't understand that simple expression...
          "The issue is there are still many people out there that use religion as a crutch for bigotry and hate. Like Ben."
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          • #80
            Originally posted by dannubis View Post
            So Ben choose to become religious because he assumed Darwin said that people like Ben should not reproduce. Why I am a not shocked by his underlying motives. This is why religion is doomed to be the scourge of humanity.
            The irony is that his religion is preventing him from reproducing.
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            • #81
              So you admit, then, that you intentionally slandered me.
              Slander must be untrue.
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              • #82
                Originally posted by Ben Kenobi View Post
                Slander must be untrue.
                Very good. That's why it was slander.
                "The issue is there are still many people out there that use religion as a crutch for bigotry and hate. Like Ben."
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                • #83
                  Originally posted by Ben Kenobi View Post
                  That is true, but we aren't all Stephen Hawking. Would you regard all disabled people without exceptional abilities in one aspect to be unfit?

                  Quite the opposite. There are so many aspects to people, I can't imagine anyone who is truly a complete waste of DNA.

                  Another example to try to demonstrate my point: an infertile person - can still be of benefit, both generally to humanity, and as a role-model to children.

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