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I use IE maybe once, on a new computer, to download Firefox. Maybe 15 years ago, when browsers cost money, this would have had a point, but today, browsers are free. The only people being hurt by this stupidity are European computer users who install Windows 7.
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Wrong. Opera rocks.Originally posted by Asher View Post
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The FTP thing is nonsense IMO. Computer dealers and/or internet providers will take care of this, like they gave away stuff in the past (I have lotsa old CDs with various browsers from this).BlahComment
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Microsoft chose to restrict choice in this manner. It could have created an easy installer that put all major browsers on equal footing. But instead, Microsoft chose to inconvenience its customers.Originally posted by Asher View PostI came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891Comment
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No browser seems to be Microsofts idea
"In terms of potential remedies, if the Commission were to find that Microsoft had committed an abuse, the Commission has suggested that consumers should be offered a choice of browser not that Windows should be supplied without a browser at all," said the Commission in a statement responding to Microsoft's announcement.Comment
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It makes no sense to MS to take on this responsibility. Why should MS work with their competitors and decide who is or is not a major browser to include?Originally posted by DanS View Post
This is not even taking into account the Windows 7 code is on its way to release. Adding major new functionality like this would delay the product significantly and subject it to new rounds of testing.
They had two options: Write code and maintain lists/download sources for competitor's products and delay the release of Windows 7 to incorporate it to appease a retarded ruling by a retarded bureaucratic entity, or simply remove the browser from the EU release and let OEMs/people install whatever they want.
The latter is far more logical, especially considering the implications (legal and otherwise) of MS linking to sites they do not control from Windows. Consider:
- What happens if a user chooses Firefox during the WINDOWS INSTALL/SETUP and it encounters an issue. People will call MS support and ***** about it, by default. After all, to them, Windows installed it.
- What happens when the URL the tool points to is no longer valid or worse, for example...what happens if Opera's site is hacked and the .exe it downloads is a virus? What is MS' legal responsibility here?
If MS provided a sanctioned way to download their competitor's products, it opens them up to legal and technical issues they should not have to deal with it.
It's far better for them to remove IE from the OS and then point the finger squarely at the EU, which people are finding more and more to be a ridiculous overregulator.
PS: What browsers should they include? Opera, Safari, Firefox, Flock, K-Meleon, Mozilla, Chrome? In addition to being a confusing and complicating UI for most users who don't know or care about their browsers, it's an arbitrary list. There are hundreds of different browsers to install, who decides what is included or not?"The issue is there are still many people out there that use religion as a crutch for bigotry and hate. Like Ben."
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The EU is so ****ing clueless they don't even comprehend what the implications of their whole ruling is.Originally posted by tinyp3nis View Post
They just fined MS over a billion dollars for bundling WMP and IE with Windows. MS removes them and the EU still *****es and needs to decide if they want to fine them again.
Get ****ed, EU. Tools."The issue is there are still many people out there that use religion as a crutch for bigotry and hate. Like Ben."
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I think you're greatly exaggerating how tough it would be for Microsoft to do this. The list need not be arbitrary.Originally posted by Asher View Post
Fact is that since Microsoft has a monopoly in the OS, it is forbidden from using normal competitive business practices in adjacent markets. However, Microsoft is getting all pissy about it and thereby inconveniencing its customers.I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891Comment
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Doesn't Apple have a monopoly on the OS for Macs?“As a lifelong member of the Columbia Business School community, I adhere to the principles of truth, integrity, and respect. I will not lie, cheat, steal, or tolerate those who do.”
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Then why shouldn't MS throw Firefox et. al. to the bottom of a dozens-long list? And if the EU complains about that, then the question is: do we really want to government to essentially legislate the current leaders to be the only "real" competitors?I think you're greatly exaggerating how tough it would be for Microsoft to do this. The list need not be arbitrary.Comment
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Well lets see, this will open up a market in Europe for pre-installed computers, which have everything loaded up.
Honestly, I can't see why people would demand them to remove their operating system. Mine came bundled with a whole pile of loser software, including Norton. So long as I am able to use the programs I want, it's not an issue.Scouse Git (2) La Fayette Adam Smith Solomwi and Loinburger will not be forgotten.
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so wait:Originally posted by Asher View Post
the EU tells microsoft that it can't bundle IE and WMP with its OS, and then fines them.
the EU then wants to fine microsoft for not including them?I wasn't born with enough middle fingers.
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wait. did ben say something that made sense?Originally posted by Ben Kenobi View PostI wasn't born with enough middle fingers.
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I think you're making mountains out of molehills. It would take almost no effort for Microsoft to facilitate downloads and installation of the top dozen (or whatever) browsers, listed in random order.Originally posted by Kuciwalker View PostI came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891Comment
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