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  • #31
    Oh, stick it. It's from giving you brats everything you ever whined about.
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    • #32
      With 23 doctors shot since 1977 and 8 murdered is it time we all admit that Christian terrorist organizations exist and should become a major focus for law enforcement just like other domestic terrorist groups?
      This is the first since Slepian in '94.

      Secondly, we don't yet know who is responsible. So go ahead and rant off about Christians, but it's clear that the shooter wasn't a member of George Tiller's church.

      Unless you were personally involved I cannot see how you have enough information to conclude that the shooter was a Christian.

      Secondly, my own opinion on this matter is to look at Barnard Nathanson, who did just as many, if not more abortions then George Tiller. George Tiller has been robbed of his opportunity for repentence. It's not the role of any one of us to act as judge and jury for the life of another.

      Tiller's fate is in God's hands now. Let us all reflect on the consequences of the statement that God himself is just, whereas man is not.
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      • #33
        And I thought late-term abortions were outlawed in the first place?
        No, they aren't if the woman states that her health is in danger from the abortion. It's a common loophole that has been used by Tiller for his clinic.

        Tiller is widely known up here to take women at any stage of pregnancy from Canada, and perform the abortion there, paid for by the provincial governments.

        He'd take clients from anywhere provided that in the end he was paid.
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        • #34
          Do Christian anti-choice terrorists bomb public places? Yes. Do they commit arson against medical clinics? Yes. Do they use assassination? Yes. Do they use organized campaigns of intimidation? Yes.

          How exactly are these Christian hate groups not terrorists? I would really like to know.
          Which organisation is responsible for the shooting of George Tiller? All of them have condemned the shooting as the work of one man.

          Are we to tar an entire movement for the actions of someone entirely unconnected?

          It's been a decade and a half since the last one. Clearly, prolifers have organised themselves into a campaign to take down all the abortion doctors one by one.
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          • #35
            Originally posted by Ben Kenobi View Post
            No, they aren't if the woman states that her health is in danger from the abortion. It's a common loophole that has been used by Tiller for his clinic.

            Loopholes intendet to save life need to be abolished!

            Pro-life
            Blah

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            • #36
              From what I understand, most (but not all) of late-term abortions are done because it's determined that the fetus cannot survive outside the womb or, if it can, would lead a life that would be far, far from enjoyable. IOW, it would cost society a lot of money in order not only to keep that child medically sound, but to also keep its parents out of the poorhouse.
              You would be wrong. The majority of late-term abortions, just like all other abortions are done for reasons of convenience. Only about 1 percent of all abortions involve some form of disability or deformity, most of which are relatively minor.

              Let's say late-term abortion is outlawed across the board. Babies with birth defects are born by the thousands, many into households that cannot afford them or, worse, simply don't love them enough to give a damn to spend the time and money it would take to properly raise a child with "special needs."
              You touch on a subject close to home. I was a 'special needs' child. I am very thankful that my parents chose to have me knowing the risks that I might inherit a disability. None of us can predict or plan for a pregnancy where the child is disabled. The choice is simply, are we willing to accept what gift God has given us, or will we reject the gift altogether?

              Would we, as a society, be willing to step forward and pay whatever it takes to ensure that those children could lead as full of lives as medically possible? Would we be willing to pay more in taxes, fees and whatnot in order to keep the mothers and fathers of those children out of the aforementioned poorhouse?
              I would not be willing to pay a dime more in taxation for the provision of these services.

              I would be more then willing to provide whatever assistance these families required personally, rather then taking money from other people by force.

              As for me, well, I don't like abortion. But, darn it, I don't like nanny-state government, either. If folks don't want to deal with an unintended pregnancy, either use protection, adopt the child out or wait until one's in a solid relationship before engaging in a sexual relationship.
              Why do you presume that disabilities have anything to do with these situations? You can make all the right choices and find yourself with a disabled child.

              The solution, as always, is private charity. People should be willing to step forward with their own wallets to help people in these situations.

              One thing's for sure: Abortion is far from being a black-and-white topic. It's painfully sensitive, IMO.
              Yes, it is black and white. I'm a survivor. The choice is either life or death for the child. There are no shades of gray, no nuances, no 'indeterminate state'. Life or death.
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              • #37
                Originally posted by Ben Kenobi View Post

                Tiller's fate is in God's hands now. Let us all reflect on the consequences of the statement that God himself is just, whereas man is not.
                Thanks to the pope, I can pray him out of hell along with Hitler and Darwin.
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                • #38
                  Originally posted by Ben Kenobi View Post
                  You would be wrong. The majority of late-term abortions, just like all other abortions are done for reasons of convenience. Only about 1 percent of all abortions involve some form of disability or deformity, most of which are relatively minor.
                  Nope.

                  You touch on a subject close to home. I was a 'special needs' child. I am very thankful that my parents chose to have me knowing the risks that I might inherit a disability. None of us can predict or plan for a pregnancy where the child is disabled. The choice is simply, are we willing to accept what gift God has given us, or will we reject the gift altogether?
                  Wait, is this a for or against?



                  I would not be willing to pay a dime more in taxation for the provision of these services.
                  How much time have you spent in jail for tax evasion.

                  I would be more then willing to provide whatever assistance these families required personally, rather then taking money from other people by force.
                  Why haven't you?

                  Why do you presume that disabilities have anything to do with these situations? You can make all the right choices and find yourself with a disabled child.
                  Bad things happen to good people.

                  The solution, as always, is private charity. People should be willing to step forward with their own wallets to help people in these situations.
                  How much have you donated?

                  Yes, it is black and white. I'm a survivor. The choice is either life or death for the child. There are no shades of gray, no nuances, no 'indeterminate state'. Life or death.
                  There's purgatory.
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                  • #39
                    In 1993, the National Abortion Federation told its members: "Don't apologize. There are many reasons why women have late abortions … lack of money or health insurance, social or psychological crisis, lack of knowledge of human reproduction.
                    A Washington Post investigative report described those who elect to have partial-birth abortions in the following way: "The 'typical' patients tend to be young, low-income women, often poorly educated or naive, whose reasons for waiting so long to end their pregnancies are rarely medical."
                    Ron Fitzsimmons, executive director of the National Coalition of Abortion Providers (a pro-abortion lobbying organization), had this to say to The New York Times on February 27, 1997:

                    In the vast majority of cases, the procedure is performed on a healthy mother with a healthy fetus that is 20 weeks or more along. The abortion-rights folks know it, the anti-abortion folks know it, and so, probably, does everyone else.
                    You are wrong, Da Shi, and the abortionists admit it themselves, that the procedure is usually performed on healthy mothers with healthy babies for reasons of convenience.

                    How much time have you spent in jail for tax evasion.
                    None, I've always paid my taxes.

                    Why haven't you?
                    What makes you believe I haven't?

                    How much have you donated?
                    How much have you? It's between me and the families.
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                    • #40
                      being allegedly pro-life and killing someone is such a retarded contradiction I think my head might explode.

                      Like when someone's 'pro-life' but supports the death penalty or a vegetarian wearing leather shoes.
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                      • #41
                        Originally posted by Ben Kenobi View Post
                        Yes, it is black and white. I'm a survivor. The choice is either life or death for the child. There are no shades of gray, no nuances, no 'indeterminate state'. Life or death.
                        That is your opinion. And by what right do you presume to stuff it down other peoples throats?

                        Please refer to the nearest seclusion monastery, preferably with a vow of silence in your case, and have yourself admitted for life.
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                        • #42
                          Originally posted by Ben Kenobi View Post
                          You are wrong, Da Shi, and the abortionists admit it themselves, that the procedure is usually performed on healthy mothers with healthy babies for reasons of convenience.
                          Sorry Ben, but your going to have to do better than a pro-life-doctor-murdering propaganda site. Please provide factual evidence for your claims.


                          What makes you believe I haven't?
                          Faith

                          How much have you? It's between me and the families.
                          If you feel this is a private matter, why do you ask me?
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                          • #43
                            Originally posted by MikeH View Post
                            being allegedly pro-life and killing someone is such a retarded contradiction I think my head might explode.

                            Like when someone's 'pro-life' but supports the death penalty or a vegetarian wearing leather shoes.
                            or like rain on your wedding day.
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                            "Capitalism ho!"

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                            • #44
                              Or a freed ride, when your already late.

                              ACK!
                              Don't try to confuse the issue with half-truths and gorilla dust!

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                              • #45
                                I will take retribution against those who misuse irony.
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