[serious] OTF Moderation input

[Ben Kenobi]

I agree people should be able to express their beliefs. But other people should be able to respond and tell them how offensive and hurtful those beliefs are.

Applies equally to religion as it does to homosexuality. I hope you can see my point MikeH. Thank you for your reply here, I understand you feel my views are unwelcome, but they are my views nonetheless. I do not agree with your perspectives, but I feel you ought to have the ability to express them without hostility.

[notyoueither]

Shall I quote them?

For someone telling me to man up you have a funny way of doing so. You took your ball and left to the Panda Lover forum. Fair enough, that's your right.

I considered you a friend Gramps, that's ok. I'm glad to see your true colours show, and stick to my real friends who have stuck with me through thick and thin.

Perhaps you should pause and reflect on who is saying it and why he is saying it.

[Ben Kenobi]

Perhaps you should pause and reflect on who is saying it and why he is saying it.

There's more to it then that, NYE, and I'm not going to get into it out of respect for Gramps.

Thank you for your comment, NYE.

I've called you my old friend before, and you still are to me.

[notyoueither]

Thanks, but no thanks, Ben.

I can't stand bigots (among a few other things) and I won't count one among my freinds.

[Asher]

Applies equally to religion as it does to homosexuality. I hope you can see my point MikeH. Thank you for your reply here, I understand you feel my views are unwelcome, but they are my views nonetheless. I do not agree with your perspectives, but I feel you ought to have the ability to express them without hostility.

Your views are inherently hostile.

And I also disagree with your assertion that the only valid people are Christian people.

[Ben Kenobi]

Anyways, I'm sorry to have caused drama for both Lori and JM. I know you guys have a thankless job moderating this forum.

I also want to thank everyone who sent me PMs, and those who posted in support, especially Jag, Slowwy, Nikolai and Caligastia.

Some have asked why I stay here, but I am thankful to have such good friends here. Some feel I post 'to troll only', but I am rather outspoken and a bit of a hothead truth be told. I am Irish and you know how we folks get when our blood gets up.

I want to apologise for whatever pain I may have caused to the folks here. I like Apolyton, I've been here now 7 years, and this is my second ban. I have no desire to repeat the experience in Lori Jail.

[Ben Kenobi]

I can't stand bigots (among a few other things) and I won't count one among my freinds.

I'm same as I've always been NYE.

[Asher]

I'm same as I've always been NYE.

Precisely.

[notyoueither]

I'm same as I've always been NYE.

Either your behaviour is worse, or I ran out of excuses for it a while ago. Maybe a combination of both.

Either way, I formed the opinion that you are an incurable bigot and therefore would rather have as little to do with you as possible.

I saw Gramps' post as perhaps a chance to shock some sense into you, given who he is and how he rarely says anything harsh about anyone. You seem determined to ignore that even devout, practicing Christians (Gramps and Nikolai) are beginning to tell you that your behaviour is unacceptable. I guess I'm not shocked that you persist, afterall I came the conclusion some time ago that you are likely irredeemable.

[Ben Kenobi]

Either your behaviour is worse, or I ran out of excuses for it a while ago. Maybe a combination of both.

Or you changed your own perspectives over time.

Either way, I formed the opinion that you are an incurable bigot and therefore would rather have as little to do with you as possible.

That's your opinion and you are entitled to it. Doesn't change my opinion of you.

I saw Gramps' post as perhaps a chance to shock some sense into you, given who he is and how he rarely says anything harsh about anyone.

He's posted this very frequently, in a variety of threads. Go check yourself in his posting history if you don't believe me.

You seem determined to ignore that even devout, practicing Christians (Gramps and Nikolai)

Again, I'm not going to get into this out of respect for Gramps.

I guess I'm not shocked that you persist, afterall I came the conclusion some time ago that you are likely irredeemable.

That's fair enough, but this is a forum for everyone. Not just you. I've already said I don't wish to discuss this further. I'd appreciate if you respected my wishes. I've served my time.

[Asher]

At some point the entire site is going to get quite sick of your "views", in the same vein as they get sick of anyone who posts blatantly racist stuff. People have a right to those views, but we all also have a right to be free of such bigotry on private sites. You've already started to get on the nerves and are wearing out the patience of several moderators.

[notyoueither]

Why should I consider your wishes of what to discuss? You show no consideration whatsoever for others.

[Ben Kenobi]

Why should I consider your wishes of what to discuss? You show no consideration whatsoever for others.

Because you believe yourself to be better then me. Simple as that. Like it or not I have just as much right to post here as you do.

[Asher]

Because you believe yourself to be better then me. Simple as that. Like it or not I have just as much right to post here as you do.

No one has a right to post here.

[notyoueither]

No, you don't. And neither do I. Neither one of us has a right to post here.

Mr. Plomp could decide he does not want idiotic rambling from Western Canadians and ban all three of you, Asher, and I. Forever. The end. Flubber would probably get off on a technicality after appeal.

As for being better than you, it's not the point. Your and Asher's behaviour on this site are the point, and I am discussing a part of that.