Why is the left afraid of Glen Beck?

[KrazyHorse]

I rest my case.

[David Floyd]

Basically, the redefine words to fit their filosofy, and they do it with a lot of words, so this shouldn't be a surprise

The Communist Party USA aren't commies.

Ironically, these two quotes exist on the same page of the same thread. Che, of course, won't see the irony, nor will he see the contradiction.

But that's OK, che.

[Sprayber]

Beck was somewhat of a supporter of Mitt Romney, Beck is Mormon to I think. Was hardcore alcoholic back in the day so if it made his life right who is to critisie his religious views. He talked a lot about the violence down on the border before it was on the media radar. He also talked a lot about the economic problems before it was a crisis. I can't remember what his attitude towards Bush was before his second term but he had a lot of criticism on his administration during his second term when I was watching the show. He seems to be a lot more anti government than anti individual. From what I remember of his Headline News show, he had a lot of people from both sides of the aisle. Most of the bleeding hearts won't like him but moderates might find a lot of things in common. He is an entertainer but he makes sense on some issues.

[Naked Gents Rut]

We're talking about the same bat-**** crazy "FEMA is building death-camps guy right?"

Glenn Beck and Popular Mechanics debunk FEMA camps

[Ben Kenobi]

Did anyone see the clip of Sean Hannity claiming the President hates America?

This is a non-issue. I've never known an American patriot bow to the king of Saudi Arabia. Obviously he feels he was in the presence of his superior.

[bc1871]

So for Che, if the Communist Party of the United States are not "Communists", then who are the "Communists" in North America?

[MrFun]

Glen Beck gives a voice to the Libertarians, who are actually closer to the ideals of the Founding Fathers, than either the Dems or the Republicans. My hat is off to Glen Beck, who is preaching freedom and liberty to the true patriots!

The Founders were not anything like modern-day libertarians. Washington talked about the importance of stronger consolidation for a more effective central government, for instance.

[Dinner]

It has been fun watching you whine about it though.

That's just evil.

[Dinner]

We're talking about the same bat-**** crazy "FEMA is building death-camps guy right?"

Glenn Beck and Popular Mechanics debunk FEMA camps

And here is one where Glen Beck claims the FEMA Death Camps are real. The truth is the guy flip flops all over the place. When he's talking to the wing nuts he plays up their irrational fears and when he he's around normal people he tries to distance himself from the wing nuts. The funny part is the wing nuts don't even know they're being played.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YPQAyv8nhno

[Berzerker]

I don't, but she equates government with the forceful imposition of one will upon another

While government is (or at least contains the threat of) force, why would she think it's the only one? For example, lolbertarians are, by and large, believers in the right to self-defense. They have no problem with forceful imposition; merely forceful imposition by the government.

Self defense is not forcefully imposing your will on another, "imposing" means intruding upon or interfering with. The attacker is the one forcefully imposing their will on the victim. And libertarians believe the govt has the moral authority to act in our defense because we have that moral authority, ie consent of the governed.

[KrazyHorse]

Self defense is not forcefully imposing your will on another

Yes it is, you dork.

You are imposing your will for them to be dead and you to be alive.

I guess che was right. I was giving the lolbertarians too much credit.

[Berzerker]

The Founders were not anything like modern-day libertarians. Washington talked about the importance of stronger consolidation for a more effective central government, for instance.

Did Washington endorse the Constitution? Then he was more libertarian than anything else we'd recognize as an ideology today. Well, not in his own life, he owned slaves.

[chequita guevara]

Ironically, these two quotes exist on the same page of the same thread. Che, of course, won't see the irony, nor will he see the contradiction.

But that's OK, che.

Hah hah.

So for Che, if the Communist Party of the United States are not "Communists", then who are the "Communists" in North America?

Once upon a time, literally a lifetime ago, the Communist Party was communist. In 1935, however, Uncle Joe, from Moscow, ordered the party to support the Democrats and FDR. Since that time, the CPUSA has eschewed revolutionary politics, which is one of the defining features of communism. If you're not a revolutionary (shut up, Patroklos) you're not a communist, no matter your name. The CPUSA is a social democratic organization, which means that they do not challenge capitalism, but merely want to tinker with it and make it more friendly.

Who are the commies in North America? There's quite a few different organizations (many dozens), and lots of people who aren't in any organizations. There's really too many to name, and some won't openly call themselves communist (even though they are). The largest group is the International Socialist Organization. They're sort of Trotskyists. The largest Maoist group was the Revolutionary Communist Party, but since the leader recently decided he was the next leader on the level of a Lenin or Mao, the group has lost almost half it's membership. It may still be the largest, but I think there's another group that has more Maoists, the Kasama Project. It just doesn't self identify as Maoist. I'm part of that group (but I'm not a Maoist).

The Socialist Party USA, of which I'm also a member, is actually more revolutionary than the CPUSA. Although we have a large number of people who are social democrats (and for a long time the SPUSA was a social democratic organization) today it is overtly a revolutionary organization (although it doesn't define what it means by revolution). In the 90s, a lot of individual revolutionaries with no group to call home ended up joining the SPUSA.

So, in the United States, history has provided us with a Communist Party that is "socialist" and a Socialist Party that is "communist."

[Berzerker]

Self defense is not forcefully imposing your will on another

Yes it is, you dork.

You are imposing your will for them to be dead and you to be alive.

I guess che was right. I was giving the lolbertarians too much credit.

No, if I'm defending myself my goal is my survival. That can be achieved without killing the attacker. If I runaway, am I imposing my will on the attacker? I'm not imposing upon you if you attack me, you are imposing upon me.

Impose - to thrust oneself offensively upon others; intrude.

Dictionary.com is your friend

[KrazyHorse]

Killing somebody is intruding upon them, as far as I can tell.



I like how you're now trying to turn the conversation from self-defence to flight from danger, by the way.

Lolbertarians are so sad.

They claim that they are against all forceful imposition, then define forceful imposition to mean whatever they want.

I have a feeling they're all Aspies.