How Long Will It Take To Get An Obama Holiday?

[-Jrabbit]

Hey Ben, your statistics are totally irrelevant to your argument.

Changing Families: out-of-wedlock births, trends (2005)
Statistic:

In 1980, approximately 18.4% of births were to unwed women in the U.S.; in 2003, more than 34% of births were to unwed women in the U.S. (Martin et al., 2005, p. 10, Table D)

Source: Martin, J.A., Hamilton, B.E., Sutton, P.D., Ventura, S., Menacker, F., & Munson, M. (2005). Births: Final data for 2003. National vital statistics reports; vol 54 no 2. Retrieved October 10, 2005, from U.S. Department of Health and Human Services Center for Disease Control and Protection website: http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvsr/nvsr54/nvsr54_02.pdf

The Great Society programs came online in the mid-60s (LBJ). The link you provided compared out of wedlock birth rates between 1980 and 2003.

People today increasingly choose to have OOW kids more often, because the social stigma of the past is no longer in place. If you want to prove your point regarding LBJ, you'll need satistics on OOW births dating back to the time period you actually referred to. Race and economic status are also relevant.

This is the kind of shoddy posting that causes you so much grief.

[-Jrabbit]

IEven better is your TOTALLY RACIST contention

I was very careful to call the CONTENTION racist. Not you.

[Darius871]

Good, somebody caught that.

If you vehemently disagree with them and you are far more intelligent then them, why are you the one who's using insults?

I don't think you read what I wrote correctly. Actually, you didn't.

[Rufus T. Firefly]

That was my point. You dug up the case and misspelled it so I suspected you weren't very solid at all on the case. Had you not cited it, I wouldn't have cared, but if you cite something which I read and then find it's not very helpful, I'm going to say what I did. If you are going to go out of your way to cite something, at least make sure that you've read it, please. I don't think that's too much to ask.

See, here's where we get into it. I had read the case -- though, admittedly, not since grad school -- and characterized all its particulars accurately. In spite of Imran -- the poster with the most recent training in law in general and constitutional law in particular-- backing me up on both facts and interpretations, you continued to maintain that my point of view had no validity because I'd left the first "n" out of "Boynton."

Your assertion then was merely laughable. But then we get to this:

It was quite a bit more then that, which you admitted.

Here's the thread: http://apolyton.net/forums/showthrea...boynton&page=3

I mention Boynton -- noting that I'm not sure about the spelling -- in post 72. From there until I post again, in post 84, you get righteously pwned by Imran. Then, in post 84 (my last in the thread), I thank Imran for doing my work for me and return to the time-honored theme of pointing out that you don't know what you're talking about.

It there's anything I didn't do, it's "admit" that "it was quite a bit more than that." Such an admission simply never occurred.

So, fine, you win. Now I'm calling you a liar.

[Ramo]

Do you believe that 40 percent of black folks would ever vote against a black person running for president?

Republicans aren't likely to nominate a black man for President. But we can look at lower offices for real data. Last election, I don't think there were any prominent black Republicans running for higher office. But in 2006, there were Ken Blackwell of OH, Michael Steele of MD, and Lynn Swann of PA. All three ran against white opponents in races initially seen as competitive. Black support for the three are as follows:

Swann: 13%
Blackwell: 20%
Steele: 25%

It should be noted that Steele is more moderate and charismatic than Swann or Blackwell.

Black people voted for Obama primarily because he's a Democrat.

[Ramo]

Why do you believe that King would reject Keyes?

Because King was a socialist?

[Darius871]

Don't try to confuse him with the facts!

[Ben Kenobi]

JR:

Are you seriously contending that the problem started in 1980?

Wow, ok.

[Ben Kenobi]

Republicans aren't likely to nominate a black man for President. But we can look at lower offices for real data. Last election, I don't think there were any prominent black Republicans running for higher office. But in 2006, there were Ken Blackwell of OH, Michael Steele of MD, and Lynn Swann of PA. All three ran against white opponents in races initially seen as competitive. Black support for the three are as follows:

What are the splits black to white?

As for republicans, why wouldn't they run a black man as president?

Given that McCain polled around 4 percent of black folks, that means Steele polled about 6x better then McCain. That's a huge effect.

[Tuberski]

So, by your reasoning, Ben, if it had been Hillary that got the Dem nod, she would have got 16% of the black vote.

ACK!

[-Jrabbit]

JR:

Are you seriously contending that the problem started in 1980?

Wow, ok.

My point was contained in the first and last sentences: that the dates of the data you linked to doesn't support your contention, and that sort of post calls much of your POV into question.

Bonus point: A lot of things have changed between 1964 and today.

[DaShi]

Nothing supports Ben's contentions. Don't even bother listening to him.

[-Jrabbit]

Well, I happen to enjoy watching him twist in the wind. With the Chargers once again not in the Super Bowl, Ben's been a little scarce in the sports forum.

[Ramo]

What are the splits black to white?

You realize that you can look these things up yourself, right? Google "exit poll" and the relevant race.

As for republicans, why wouldn't they run a black man as president?

For starters, the only black Republican elected official of any stature who I can think of (taking stature pretty liberally) is the TX Railroad Commish. Notably, there isn't a single black member of Congress who's a Republican.

Given that McCain polled around 4 percent of black folks, that means Steele polled about 6x better then McCain. That's a huge effect.

Ignoring that Steele's opponent, Cardin had a divisive primary fight with a former head of the NAACP, Mfume, and was a generally lackluster candidate compared to Steele, yeah, he did about 3x better than Bush in his race against noted black man Al Gore.

[Kuciwalker]

A lot of schools canceled classes today, so this could be the first of many Obama holidays. How appropriate would that be? A holiday to celebrate Reverend Martin Luther King, followed by a holiday to worship the Messiah Rev. King came to prophesy.

See, Sprayber, this was dozens of times funnier than the OP.