Looks like Ukrainians have the Russkis by the balls. Good payback for that poisoning.
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Originally posted by Saras View PostPlus we got a separate pipe from Russia, pay on time, don't steal and have Gazprom as 38% shareholder of our gas utility (39% is E.ON). Wikkid.
Do you transship? Russians need to pay Ukraine a rent. Whatever the Ukrainians can dig out of them. I say let the two scorpions fight it out.
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Originally posted by TCO View PostThat's actually a good solution, imperialist. But you forgot, Ukraine:
Also, let us finish Nord Stream. Then we'll have the Ukraine by the balls.Graffiti in a public toilet
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Originally posted by TCO View PostDo you transship? Russians need to pay Ukraine a rent. Whatever the Ukrainians can dig out of them. I say let the two scorpions fight it out.
Wait, we DO. To what is Russian territorry, Kaliningrad.
LOL, WIKKID!Originally posted by Serb:Please, remind me, how exactly and when exactly, Russia bullied its neighbors?
Originally posted by Ted Striker:Go Serb !
Originally posted by Pekka:If it was possible to capture the essentials of Sepultura in a dildo, I'd attach it to a bicycle and ride it up your azzes.
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(all under the presmise that what russia cliams is true):
Sure, the Ukraine could demand a transportation fee. Maybe they should. Openly. Not just take what they think is their fair share.
Onedera: I like funny and accurate analysis of seriuos problems so: thumb up for that one.
I think the Ukraine is not doing itself a long term favor here BTW. From my perspective, the Ukraine is a border state (between russia and the EU) and probably will remain that for the next couple of decades (at least i dont want them in the EU - just like turkey too fringy and just too much). This offers opportunities tho, when coupled with smart politics. P***ing off both sides, i wouldnt consider smart, tho. To make an open agreement with them about transfer fees is another story, though, and does seem to be a reasonable way to profit from the situation. After all, Europe at least, is interested in the modernization of the Ukraine energy sector.
Saras: Interesting info about the lithunian energy sector there btw. I work for e.on (indirectly) sometimes - they are german, aren´t they? I think it´s not pushed into the public enough, how far-flung and powerful these energy corps are IMO. If you´d transfer these numbers into ´political influence´ (say like culture in civ), it looks a bit like hitler-stalin all over again... Now i dont mind good relations with russia, but still - something makes me feel odd about these numbers...
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Originally posted by onodera View PostYes, we are heartless bastards who want to squeeze the Ukraine's budget udder hard, but don't forget we sell them our natural gas at a highly reduced price.
Russia: hey, *the* Ukraine, we will sell you gas for the same price we sell it to the Germans.
Ukraine:
Russia: No? Okay, we'll pump less gas into your pipeline, don't take any, and our European partners will get the amount they bought.
Ukraine:
Croatia, Serbia, Romania, Greece, Hungary, Germany, etc: We're not getting enough gas!
Ukraine:
Russia: Okay, *the* Ukraine, be a good country and give the gas back, or no one will get any gas at all.
EU:
What will happen:
EU: Okay, Ukraine, time to cough up, our people are burining furniture in the town squares.
Ukraine: ?
EU: Okay, Russia, we'll pay for the Ukraine.
Russia: *opens the valve*
EU:
Russia:
Try http://wordforge.net/index.php for discussion and debate.
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Originally posted by TCO View PostLooks like Ukrainians have the Russkis by the balls. Good payback for that poisoning.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090107/...ine_russia_gasTry http://wordforge.net/index.php for discussion and debate.
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Russia is not a reliable supplier but the middle east is?Jon Miller: MikeH speaks the truth
Jon Miller: MikeH is a shockingly revolting dolt and a masturbatory urine-reeking sideshow freak whose word is as valuable as an aging cow paddy.
We've got both kinds
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You can nuke Middle East and not be massively nuked back.Originally posted by Serb:Please, remind me, how exactly and when exactly, Russia bullied its neighbors?
Originally posted by Ted Striker:Go Serb !
Originally posted by Pekka:If it was possible to capture the essentials of Sepultura in a dildo, I'd attach it to a bicycle and ride it up your azzes.
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Originally posted by MikeH View PostRussia is not a reliable supplier but the middle east is?Try http://wordforge.net/index.php for discussion and debate.
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How long do you think it'd take to build that pipeline just out of interest.Jon Miller: MikeH speaks the truth
Jon Miller: MikeH is a shockingly revolting dolt and a masturbatory urine-reeking sideshow freak whose word is as valuable as an aging cow paddy.
We've got both kinds
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On the Turkish pipeline, would you send it through Syria or Iraq?Jon Miller: MikeH speaks the truth
Jon Miller: MikeH is a shockingly revolting dolt and a masturbatory urine-reeking sideshow freak whose word is as valuable as an aging cow paddy.
We've got both kinds
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Originally posted by onodera View Post
Russia: hey, *the* Ukraine, we will sell you gas for the same price we sell it to the Germans.
Ukraine:
Russia: No? Okay, we'll pump less gas into your pipeline, don't take any, and our European partners will get the amount they bought.
Ukraine:
Croatia, Serbia, Romania, Greece, Hungary, Germany, etc: We're not getting enough gas!
Ukraine:
Russia: Okay, *the* Ukraine, be a good country and give the gas back, or no one will get any gas at all.
EU:
What will happen:
EU: Okay, Ukraine, time to cough up, our people are burining furniture in the town squares.
Ukraine: ?
EU: Okay, Russia, we'll pay for the Ukraine.
Russia: *opens the valve*
EU:
Russia:
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Originally posted by MikeH View PostHow long do you think it'd take to build that pipeline just out of interest.
BTW Russia has been pulling this stuff for years but no one in Europe seems to be taking any action to hedge bets. Finding ways to get gas from multiple supplies helps reduce the leverage any one supplier holds over customers. It just makes good business sense.Last edited by Dinner; January 7, 2009, 13:20.Try http://wordforge.net/index.php for discussion and debate.
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