Doesn't have much to do with parties. I know several Democrats who are giddy about Obama winning who are planning to be out of town. With some predicting an extra 5 million people in town and metro rides taking 5 hours (and lord knows what the roads will be like) there are plenty of locals of any political persuasion that just don't want to deal with the madness. Plus they can make a tidy sum by renting out their place for a few days.
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Originally posted by MrFun View PostSure, make light of election fraud, race discrimination and disfranchisement if that makes you feel better Slowwy.
How shall I put this,so that there's no misunderstanding of my intended meaning?
Does "stick it up your ass" work for you?Life is not measured by the number of breaths you take, but by the moments that take your breath away.
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He also hates Texans and Australians, he does diversify." ~ Braindead
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Originally posted by DinoDoc View PostActually they weren't. Those polls after the fact Verto was refering to do show Gore would have won a state wide recount but the problem was Gore wasn't asking for that. He wasn't even asking for the method the study says would have allowed him to pull ahead in the vote count. He was trying to cherry pick counties and methods he believed would have allowed him to win but which the evidence says couldn't have allowed him to win.
http://www.usatoday.com/news/washing...loridamain.htmOnce you start down the dark path, forever will it dominate your destiny, consume you it will, as it did Obi Wan's apprentice.
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Once again, BK shows his fundamental misunderstanding of democracy. The election and the government belong to the people of the United States, not the candidates. It is not their election to concede or not. Also keep in mind that on the night of the election, Gore was almost certainly unaware of the level of election fraud that had taken place in Florida, as it took a few weeks for Greg Palast to uncover what had happened.
Americans have a right to still be upset about the 2000 coup d'etat. Our election and government were stolen. The GOP is still *****ing about the 1960 election, nearly 50 years after the fact, with a heck of a lot less evidence to support their claims.
I think those of us who care about the democratic process can still be upset about something which happened 8 years ago.
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BK, Gore cannot reject or accept any ballots. Florida law was not followed. 9 people (the Supreme Court) decided on their own who would run the US. It's one thing to lose and another to be told everyone's original vote is meaningless.
In Chicago, in 1960 the zombie vote still controlled Illinois politics. Nixon had that election stolen from him. He would get his revenge -- he would destroy the Presidency and assure that no American trusted their government ever again. Fight for her, die for her if we must, but trust the politicians -- no way!
John Quincy Adams and one of the Harrisons also stole elections but only George W. stole two. Apparently he did it so he could really wreck the economy as he left politics -- after all, all his friends were already rich.No matter where you go, there you are. - Buckaroo Banzai
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only George W. stole two. Apparently he did it so he could really wreck the economy as he left politics -- after all, all his friends were already rich.Scouse Git (2) La Fayette Adam Smith Solomwi and Loinburger will not be forgotten.
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Originally posted by Ben Kenobi View PostWhich is why he rejected the military ballots? I used to believe that America was all about the government belonging to the people of the US, but after I saw what Gore was trying to do I realised that it's precisely the opposite.
When the dead rise to vote for Kennedy, what more can you say?
Hence the Sore-Loserman quote. Elections are only stolen when they are won by Bush.
Perhaps you should consider migrating to Russia. Their brand of democracy seems to be up your alley.Christianity: The belief that a cosmic Jewish Zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree...
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He who? Gore didn't approve or reject any ballots, idiot.
I say it was almost fifty years ago, and no one on this board voted in that election. Anger about the 1960 election is academic.
Is the only thing we can be sure of what we experienced? I don't recall you living in Florida in 2000.
Furthermore, it has never been proven that Illinois was stolen, merely alleged. It is proven fact in a court of law that the 2000 election was stolen in Florida.
Except I'm not pro Gore (and especially not Leiberman) or Kerry or any other Democrat.
I'm pro-democracy. Democracy seems to be a concept you either fail to understand or that you do understand and only have contempt for. Either way, it speaks ill of you.
I hate democracy so much that I'm all in favour of an elected senate, and redistributed commons seats to reflect population changes.
What I am not, is a republican. I don't believe in written constitutions or in elected heads of states.
Perhaps you should consider migrating to Russia. Their brand of democracy seems to be up your alley.Scouse Git (2) La Fayette Adam Smith Solomwi and Loinburger will not be forgotten.
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Originally posted by chequita guevara View PostPerhaps you should consider migrating to Russia. Their brand of democracy seems to be up your alley.I'm consitently stupid- Japher
I think that opinion in the United States is decidedly different from the rest of the world because we have a free press -- by free, I mean a virgorously presented right wing point of view on the air and available to all.- Ned
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Originally posted by Ben Kenobi View PostMr. "Count every ballot" conveniently forgot about the military ballots, you know the ones in the bags stamped with the USAF on them.
I realize I'm beating my head against a wall when I tell you this, because your long standing history is to ignore facts and invent your own, by try and learn something about the subject you are discussing.
In any event, even if what you wrote was true, which it isn't, it doesn't mitigate the illegal dropping of FIFTY THOUSAND Floridians, more than half of whom were (and still are) Black. Then there's the fact that in GOP controlled Duval county, the election machines for the Black precincts weren't working, and over 27,000 ballots were spoiled as a result, but all the machines in the white precincts were working fine.
But you will continue to lie, so why do I even bother?
So the only thing wrong with election fraud is if it happens in the present day? Fraud is fraud. Whether we experienced it or not is irrelevant.
Is the only thing we can be sure of what we experienced? I don't recall you living in Florida in 2000.
Proven by who? It's a proven fact that Gore conceded before the count had been finished. You can speculate all you want, but no one forced him to concede, and the way elections have always worked, is that it is a contest between two individuals. You cannot force someone to serve who refuses to serve, no matter how many people vote for him.
If the winner truly refuses to serve, there are remedies in state law on how to deal with that, such as the governor or legislature appointing someone or a new election being held. The person in second place isn't automatically elevated to winner. Remember when Ashcroft lost to a dead guy? Ashcroft didn't automatically become Senator despite coming in second.
Which is why I phrased it. You don't have to be pro anything to be anti-Bush, and that includes pro-american.
Bush has been especially bad for the United States and the world. But because he's an evangelical Christian, you're blind to his crimes. If a Democrat had done half of what Bush had done, you'd be calling him the worst disaster in history. I'm at least consistent. I've opposed every president since Ford, but I was a child at the time, so cut me some slack on that one.Christianity: The belief that a cosmic Jewish Zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree...
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Prove they were military ballots. You can't.
There are also, however the biggest source of potential vote fraud
In any event, even if what you wrote was true, which it isn't, it doesn't mitigate the illegal dropping of FIFTY THOUSAND Floridians, more than half of whom were (and still are) Black.
You cannot even be sure of what you have experienced. The fact that I didn't live in Florida at the time is irrelevant.
took measures to make sure that the roles and machines would be fixed for 2004 (which they were).
Irrelevant. Concession means nothing. It's not a game or a contest. It's an election, with rules about how a winner is determined.
Conceding is simply a gentlemanly thing to do. If in the following weeks, when all the votes have been counted (it took two weeks in my district) the results show that the person who conceded is the actual winner, he's going to Washington, not the person everyone thought was the winner on election night. Your ignorance of and contempt for democracy is staggering.
I had guys going off on infinite loops who basically said, why don't you concede since you can't win? I simply said, play out your loops, every step and we'll go from there. The tournament ended up waiting 2 hours for us to finish one match. He was then banned from the tourney.
So no, I don't believe in concessions.
If the winner truly refuses to serve, there are remedies in state law on how to deal with that, such as the governor or legislature appointing someone or a new election being held. The person in second place isn't automatically elevated to winner. Remember when Ashcroft lost to a dead guy? Ashcroft didn't automatically become Senator despite coming in second.
The problem with your brain is that you think because I'm anti-Bush, that's why I care about stolen elections
Bush has been especially bad for the United States and the world. But because he's an evangelical Christian, you're blind to his crimes.
Kerry was a Catholic. I think playing the religion card is old. If I voted according to religion, I would have supported Kerry.
If a Democrat had done half of what Bush had done, you'd be calling him the worst disaster in history.Scouse Git (2) La Fayette Adam Smith Solomwi and Loinburger will not be forgotten.
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Originally posted by Ben Kenobi View PostWell it's rather hard to do when they aren't counted.
What part of, "the ballots don't contain information identifying the voter" don't you understand?
Of course, because they tend to primarily vote republican.
Which has absolutely nothing to do with the origin of invalid ballots and whether or not they should have been counted under Florida law. You keep ignoring the fact that these ballots were illegal.
Of what percent were prisoners?
A whopping zero. In all, 90,000 voters were dropped from the roles. None of the other 40,000 were prisoners either. Prisoners don't get to vote. The reason the 90,000 were dropped is because they were listed as ex-felons. The fifty thousand I keep mentioning were never convicted of any crime. Hence the point of Florida admitting it screwed up in a court of law and fixing things so that it would not happen again in 2004. If they had been prisoners, then they would not have been illegally prevented from voting.
Your stupidity really is staggering.
It's a strange world where the servicemen cannot vote for their commander in chief, but the prisoners can.
When you find such a world, you can complain about it. For now all you are doing is lying. That's a sin, BK.
Thank you. That means the fact that voter fraud occurred in 1960 is still significant. Voter fraud does not only happen when people vote for someone with an R by their name.
Again, you have failed to prove that vote fraud occurred in 1960. Put up or shut up, liar.
You might want to get your compatriots that information since they accused Bush of stealing two elections.
Do you understand that Florida and Ohio are two completely different states? You know, I know you're stupid, but the depth of your stupidity is mind boggling.
How can you be a winner if you walk away?
Because the LAW says so.
I used to play in magic tournaments.
Elections are not a game, moron.
Yes, because the dead guy had a D by his name. That was rather slimy to appoint his WIFE! I mean, come on there. How is it democratic to elect based on nepotism?
The laws of the state of Missouri decided what the outcome would be.
Yes, you are anti-bush when you care about the 'stolen' election of 2000, but dismiss the one in 1960. How can you claim to be democratic when you dismiss what occurred in 1960, simply because it meant that a D was elected.
One, I don't accept that the election of 1960 was stolen since I've never seen any proof that it was. There is some circumstantial evidence, but there is not, and has never been, proof.
Second, it occurred fifty years ago. So for the same reason I'm more upset about a murder or a rape that occurred within the last ten year than I am about one that occurred fifty years ago, I am significantly less concerned about an alleged stolen election that occurred fifty years ago than I am about an actual stolen election that occurred eight years ago.
Now, unless you start dealing in facts, I'm just going to reply by mocking you.Christianity: The belief that a cosmic Jewish Zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree...
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Originally posted by Theben View PostQFT. Reading this again makes me wonder how people like Sloww and Ben can claim to love this country when they hate what it stands for.I drank beer. I like beer. I still like beer. ... Do you like beer Senator?
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Originally posted by Ben Kenobi View PostWell it's rather hard to do when they aren't
Kerry was a Catholic. I think playing the religion card is old. If I voted according to religion, I would have supported Kerry.“As a lifelong member of the Columbia Business School community, I adhere to the principles of truth, integrity, and respect. I will not lie, cheat, steal, or tolerate those who do.”
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What part of, "they were counted," don't you understand?
What part of, "the ballots don't contain information identifying the voter" don't you understand?
Secondly, you've completely ignored my query as to why you said that military ballots are the ones most prone to fraud? Where's the evidence of such?
Which has absolutely nothing to do with the origin of invalid ballots and whether or not they should have been counted under Florida law. You keep ignoring the fact that these ballots were illegal.
Why do you think redistricting is so effective?
A whopping zero. In all, 90,000 voters were dropped from the roles. None of the other 40,000 were prisoners either. Prisoners don't get to vote. The reason the 90,000 were dropped is because they were listed as ex-felons.
Your stupidity really is staggering.
Again, you have failed to prove that vote fraud occurred in 1960. Put up or shut up, liar.
Do you understand that Florida and Ohio are two completely different states? You know, I know you're stupid, but the depth of your stupidity is mind boggling.
Has there ever been an election won by a republican that wasn't stolen? Seems to me that the Dems just didn't cheat enough to win.
Because the LAW says so.
The laws of the state of Missouri decided what the outcome would be.
Elections based on nepotism are not democratic. I thought you were against the principles of an entrenched aristocracy.
Second, it occurred fifty years ago. So for the same reason I'm more upset about a murder or a rape that occurred within the last ten year than I am about one that occurred fifty years ago, I am significantly less concerned about an alleged stolen election that occurred fifty years ago than I am about an actual stolen election that occurred eight years ago.
For someone who didn't even support the democrats, you sure are upset.Scouse Git (2) La Fayette Adam Smith Solomwi and Loinburger will not be forgotten.
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