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Originally posted by Sirotnikov
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This is a lot of effort at obfuscating clearly established historical facts.
Arab pogroms came first.
They are well documented in 1920, 1921, 1929, all through the 1930s and so on.
The Israeli defensive forces of Haganah were established as a reaction to those events. Until 1929 Haganah consisted of local bands of farmers with poor self defense training.
It is only the 1929 large massacre that caused Haganah to turn itself into a more serious and more aggressive force, and which lead to the establishment of Irgun in the 1930s, and the Stern gang in the 1940s.
Wow, that is a neutrally titled book
Since I doubt Ben Gurion wrote the book in question, I would be happy if you state the original document quoted.
Even this poor attempt at selective quoting can not disguise the true nature of the text.
This is not "rules of engagement with population" as you claim, but an aggressive retaliation policy against demonstrated threats. The policy was to destroy villages whose residents stage attacks on Jews, clearly demonstrating hostility and aggressiveness, and an active threat to Jewish residents.
This is not at all a policy regarding engagement of arab population in Palestine.
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You're welcome to read those quotes in their context in the full text of Plan Dalet, that I already provided once in a quote above:
Expulsion is clearly a tactical policy reserved to pockets of resistance on the outskirts of Israeli borders, which present a clear threat to the Jewish state security.
It is clearly not part of a strategical policy to expell any or all residents.
Even this poor attempt at selective quoting can not disguise the true nature of the text.
This is not "rules of engagement with population" as you claim, but an aggressive retaliation policy against demonstrated threats. The policy was to destroy villages whose residents stage attacks on Jews, clearly demonstrating hostility and aggressiveness, and an active threat to Jewish residents.
This is not at all a policy regarding engagement of arab population in Palestine.
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You're welcome to read those quotes in their context in the full text of Plan Dalet, that I already provided once in a quote above:
Expulsion is clearly a tactical policy reserved to pockets of resistance on the outskirts of Israeli borders, which present a clear threat to the Jewish state security.
It is clearly not part of a strategical policy to expell any or all residents.
You're welcome to read these articles concerning the interesting research practices of Benny Morris.
Here Dr. Efraim Karsh, a professor of Mediterranean studies at King's College compares research tactics used by Morris, especially selective and deceptive quotation of Israeli leaders:
From: http://www.nysun.com/arts/fight-over-1948/75666/
yes.
I bet I can refute all of it.
Here Dr. Efraim Karsh, a professor of Mediterranean studies at King's College compares research tactics used by Morris, especially selective and deceptive quotation of Israeli leaders:
From: http://www.nysun.com/arts/fight-over-1948/75666/
yes.
I bet I can refute all of it.
Political scientist Ian Lustick describes Karsh's writing in Fabricating Israeli History as malevolent and the nature of his analysis as erratic and sloppy. The book, he wrote, is ripe with 'howlers, contradictions and distortions'. Lustick points to six instances in which Karsh gives quotes that say the very opposite of what Karsh tells his readers they say. One example he gives is of a statement made by Golda Meir that Karsh alludes to in support of his argument that there was never an agreement between Abdullah of Transjordan and the Zionist leadership. In the quote itself, according to the interpretation of Lustick, Meir explicitly writes about an agreement: 'The meeting [in November 1947] was conducted on the basis that there was an arrangement and an understanding as to what both of us wanted and that our interests did not collide'.
Professor of Middle East Studies in the Department of War Studies at King's College London Yezid Sayigh has commented of Karsh that, "He is simply not what he makes himself out to be, a trained historian (nor political/social scientist)," and encouraged "robust responses [that] make sure that any self-respecting scholar will be too embarrassed to even try to incorporate the Karsh books in his/her teaching or research because they can't pretend they didn't know how flimsy their foundations are."
Professor of History at the Middle East Institute of Columbia University Richard Bulliet, in an academic review, describes the Karshs Empires of the Sand as "a tendentious and unreliable piece of scholarship that should have been vetted more thoroughly by the publisher" and asserts that the authors failed to "contribute a dimension of sense and scholarship that raises the debate[s in question] to a higher level."
I. Lustick, 1997. "Israeli History: Who is Fabricating What?" Survival 39 (3) ans Survival 39 (4)
Richard W. Bulliet The Middle East Journal Washington Autumn 2000 Vol 54 Iss 4 p. 667 -668.
Professor of Middle East Studies in the Department of War Studies at King's College London Yezid Sayigh has commented of Karsh that, "He is simply not what he makes himself out to be, a trained historian (nor political/social scientist)," and encouraged "robust responses [that] make sure that any self-respecting scholar will be too embarrassed to even try to incorporate the Karsh books in his/her teaching or research because they can't pretend they didn't know how flimsy their foundations are."
Professor of History at the Middle East Institute of Columbia University Richard Bulliet, in an academic review, describes the Karshs Empires of the Sand as "a tendentious and unreliable piece of scholarship that should have been vetted more thoroughly by the publisher" and asserts that the authors failed to "contribute a dimension of sense and scholarship that raises the debate[s in question] to a higher level."
I. Lustick, 1997. "Israeli History: Who is Fabricating What?" Survival 39 (3) ans Survival 39 (4)
Richard W. Bulliet The Middle East Journal Washington Autumn 2000 Vol 54 Iss 4 p. 667 -668.
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