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  • With no SWAT team in this city of 18 million, authorities called in the only unit in the country trained to deal with such crises. But the National Security Guards, which largely devotes its resources to protecting top officials, is based outside of New Delhi and it took the commandos nearly 10 hours to reach the scene.

    That gave the gunmen time to consolidate control over two luxury hotels and a Jewish center, said Sahni.

    As the siege at dragged on, local police improperly strapped on ill-fitting bulletproof vests. Few had two-way radios to communicate.

    Even the commandos lacked the proper equipment, including night vision goggles and thermal sensors that would have allowed them to locate the hostages and gunmen inside the buildings, Sahni said.

    Security forces announced they had killed four gunmen and ended the siege at the mammoth Taj Mahal hotel on Thursday night, only to have fighting erupt there again the next day. Only on Saturday morning did they actually kill the last remaining gunmen.

    At the Jewish center, commandos rappelled from a helicopter onto the roof and slowly descended the narrow, five-story building in a 10-hour shooting and grenade battle with the two gunmen inside.

    From his home in Israel, Assaf Hefetz, a former Israeli police commissioner who created the country's police anti-terror unit three decades ago, watched the slow-motion operation in disbelief.

    The commandos should have swarmed the building in a massive, coordinated attack that would have overwhelmed the gunmen and ended the standoff in seconds, he said.

    "You have to come from the roof and all the windows and all the doors and create other entrances by demolition charges," he said.

    The slow pace of the operations made it appear that the commandos' main goal was to stay safe, Hefetz said.

    "You have to take the chance and the danger that your people can be hurt and some of them will be killed, but do it much faster and ensure the operation will be finished (quickly)," Hefetz said.

    J. K. Dutt, director-general of the commando unit, defended their tactics.

    "We have conducted the operation in the way we are trained and in the way we like to do it," he said.


    Singh promised to expand the commando force and set up new bases for it around the country. He called a rare meeting of leaders from the country's main political parties, hours after the resignation of Home Minister Shivraj Patil.


    from TCO's article
    (emphasis added)
    12-17-10 Mohamed Bouazizi NEVER FORGET
    Stadtluft Macht Frei
    Killing it is the new killing it
    Ultima Ratio Regum

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    • "We have conducted the operation in [...] the way we like to do it," he said.
      I guess if you like it when all the hostages are killed, and your men appear like absolute pansies, then who are we to stop you?

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      • Btw, I read a claim (on arab media though) that Israel wanted to airlift its own commandos, but India refused.

        I can understand how they want their own people handling that, but the result is atrocious.


        I read somewhere a claim that Sharon tasked Mossad to find the killers of Daniel Pearl. I have no idea what happened with that or if it is even true.

        I only hope a similar order is issued now.

        Oh, and we're so gonna give india more technology and intelligence.

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        • Originally posted by KrazyHorse
          Seriously, every policeman in Mumbai should hang their head in shame over this. They got their asses handed to them by 20 guys with Kalashnikovs.

          Well I did read in several security blogs that the 20 guys were actually very well prepared, both having excellent intelligence about the whereabouts and sorroundings and proficient in tactical combat.

          That's why there's high suspicion that they were trained for the mission, but a certain someone's state intelligence apparatus. I won't name names

          I can't tell however if it's real or Indian propoganda to diminish the sense of failure.

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          • Originally posted by Sirotnikov
            Btw, I read a claim (on arab media though) that Israel wanted to airlift its own commandos, but India refused.

            I can understand how they want their own people handling that, but the result is atrocious.


            I read somewhere a claim that Sharon tasked Mossad to find the killers of Daniel Pearl. I have no idea what happened with that or if it is even true.

            I only hope a similar order is issued now.

            Oh, and we're so gonna give india more technology and intelligence.

            duuude: You are my connection. I want some good Ostrovsky/Liberty **** from you.

            Follow me....

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            • Originally posted by Sirotnikov

              Well I did read in several security blogs that the 20 guys were actually very well prepared, both having excellent intelligence about the whereabouts and sorroundings and proficient in tactical combat.

              That's why there's high suspicion that they were trained for the mission, but a certain someone's state intelligence apparatus. I won't name names

              I can't tell however if it's real or Indian propoganda to diminish the sense of failure.
              The 9-11 attacks were also very skillfully planned and executed. that's why fvcks like the CAIR-bears from Minnesota that deliberately try to mimic a recce or even an actual event should not be surprised when they getg kicked off of planes and cavity searched...

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              • Sorry for the threadjack

                Originally posted by GePap
                The issue at hand is the relation of religion to everyday life. You argue that Judaism has become a very spiritual religion, and that Islam has far more expansonistic aims. Given that Judaism doesn't aim to be a universal faith, of course Islam is more expansionistic.
                concession to my point no. 1.

                At the same time, the issue here is that as much as you say that Judaism is now spiritual, it is impossible to be an observant Jew without constantly following every day rituals in the way you live an interact with others here and now. Judaism is a community faith as much as an individual one. In that way it is very different from Christianity, and like Islam.
                I have a strong sense you are wrong in your characterization of Christianity, but I don't know enough about it. I already see Elok disagreeing with you.

                If Judaism grew up out of power, it still remembered being in power, in having kings and temples. That part of Judaism hasn't gone away, even if reality made it irrelevant. Christianity never had that.
                Huh?
                How about the Roman holy empire?
                How about the 2nd Roman holy empire?
                How about ruling over europe and directing forces to reconquer
                How about the force christianity enjoyed in middle ages spain? it late middle ages italy?

                Christianity certainly had a huge control and dominance of people's lives and politics at some point.

                Judaism's religious authority has never ever been as strong, neither in bible times, nor later. The only thing coming close is the current Rabbi courts, which isn't different from modern pious church communities.

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                • Originally posted by TCO



                  duuude: You are my connection. I want some good Ostrovsky/Liberty **** from you.

                  Follow me....
                  huh?
                  everything I said in the post you quoted comes from open sources media, and I have no knowledge to back it up.

                  on ostrovsky i told you, that as far as i know he was a failed student with mental problems. that is not open sources.

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                  • The HRE was "neither Holy, nor Roman, nor an Empire." - Voltaire.
                    DISCLAIMER: the author of the above written texts does not warrant or assume any legal liability or responsibility for any offence and insult; disrespect, arrogance and related forms of demeaning behaviour; discrimination based on race, gender, age, income class, body mass, living area, political voting-record, football fan-ship and musical preference; insensitivity towards material, emotional or spiritual distress; and attempted emotional or financial black-mailing, skirt-chasing or death-threats perceived by the reader of the said written texts.

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                    • That's dandy, but there's no contesting that it did a lot to help the RCC, at least under Charlemagne.
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                      • It's ok, I won't blow your cover. Mazel tov.

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                        • Isn't there something incestuous about Netanyahoo and sharon having been in the same commando outfit? Also with JMonathion?

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                          • Originally posted by Sirotnikov
                            Btw, I read a claim (on arab media though) that Israel wanted to airlift its own commandos, but India refused.
                            Does the concept of respect for the territory of other nations not exist in Israel?
                            "The issue is there are still many people out there that use religion as a crutch for bigotry and hate. Like Ben."
                            Ben Kenobi: "That means I'm doing something right. "

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                            • Originally posted by Asher


                              Does the concept of respect for the territory of other nations not exist in Israel?
                              It would have been a nightmare to coordinate forces and one wondres how well the Isr would have done with time available for planning ops in unfamiliar area.

                              That said, the Isr. are pissed since the attack was against Jews. They feel that all Jews are really citizens of Isr.

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                              • And the ****ing Arab scum love to push sht against the Jews. They rip them way harder than the Jews do in return. (in discrimination, in media portrayals).

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