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  • #31
    December polls from Rasmussen (10 days apart).
    McCain and Obama tied:


    Obama up by 19 over Paul:
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    • #32
      According to exit and entrance polls, Paul came in second among 18 to 24-year-olds in New Hampshire and finished a close third in Iowa after Mitt Romney among the 17 to 29-year-old demographic.


      Who was #1? If it was McCain, then your argument doesn't hold muster.
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      • #33
        Originally posted by Naked Gents Rut
        Damn, Ron Paul is over 70?
        73, even older than McCain .
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        • #34
          Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
          According to exit and entrance polls, Paul came in second among 18 to 24-year-olds in New Hampshire and finished a close third in Iowa after Mitt Romney among the 17 to 29-year-old demographic.


          Who was #1? If it was McCain, then your argument doesn't hold muster.
          Not to mention that it would be among voters in the Republican primary, not all voters.
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          • #35
            Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
            Would you have liked Governor Charlie Christ?
            IMHO, the congressional Repugs will be marginalized for at least the near future. It will be the Republican governors -- who are more pragmatic and less ideological -- that will control the party.

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            • #36
              Who was #1?
              McCain in New Hampshire, Huckabee in Iowa

              Not to mention that it would be among voters in the Republican primary, not all voters.
              The Republican primaries are all we have to go on when comparing the popularity of various Republican candidates amongst young voters.

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              • #37
                Originally posted by Zkribbler


                IMHO, the congressional Repugs will be marginalized for at least the near future. It will be the Republican governors -- who are more pragmatic and less ideological -- that will control the party.
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                • #38
                  Originally posted by Ben Kenobi
                  If they can't swallow those, then we are better off without them, then with them.
                  Who is "we"? Have you been a voting Republican primary voter for how long a time in the US?

                  McCain was pushed by the moderates.
                  No, moderate Republicans pushed Giuliani. Conservative Republicans pushed Huckabee.

                  McCain was a compromise candidate whose support was in the single digits until he was pushed hard by the part of the media which was sympathetic to the Democrats (Jon Stewart, NYT, Time, et aliae).

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                  • #39
                    Originally posted by Naked Gents Rut
                    The Republican primaries are all we have to go on when comparing the popularity of various Republican candidates amongst young voters.
                    Right, and since Ron Paul couldn't beat out the other Republicans in his party in attracting their youth vote, I don't see how it justifies your assertion that Paul would have done better with the youth vote in the general election.
                    Last edited by Boris Godunov; November 24, 2008, 12:13.
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                    • #40
                      1. What is this "we" of which you speak, Canadian carpetbagger?


                      Why are democrats continuing to give Republicans advice on how to win elections?

                      2. Single-issue voting is the OPPOSITE of coalition-building.
                      Right. How long do you last in the Democrat party if you happen to be prolife?

                      If the Republicans abandon their defense of traditional marriage and their opposition to Roe, then they are going to get destroyed every election.

                      Don't let the door hit you in the ass on your way out.
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                      • #41
                        Who is "we"? Have you been a voting Republican primary voter for how long a time in the US?
                        Since when is conservative thought limited to those who are americans? I didn't know this was a club thread.

                        McCain was a compromise candidate whose support was in the single digits until he was pushed hard by the part of the media which was sympathetic to the Democrats (Jon Stewart, NYT, Time, et aliae).
                        Which is exactly why the primary system must be revised so that only registered republicans can participate.
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                        • #42
                          FYI Ben, there are a LOT of pro-life Democrats, and there are plenty of pro-choice Republicans.

                          FYI Ben, I am not a member of any political party. Are you saying I, and millions more like me, should not have a say in the primaries? In what way do you consider disenfranchisement a viable part of the democratic process?

                          You really are a narrow-minded one-trick pony.
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                          • #43
                            Originally posted by Ben Kenobi




                            Why are democrats continuing to give Republicans advice on how to win elections?


                            Unbelievable!

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                            • #44
                              FYI Ben, there are a LOT of pro-life Democrats, and there are plenty of pro-choice Republicans.
                              Name one.

                              FYI Ben, I am not a member of any political party. Are you saying I, and millions more like me, should not have a say in the primaries? In what way do you consider disenfranchisement a viable part of the democratic process?
                              How are you disenfranchised? You've made the decision not to join a party, so why should you get to have any say as to who each party appoints? If you want to have a say as to who the Republicans appoint, then join the Republican party.

                              You really are a narrow-minded one-trick pony.
                              Obviously. I don't see what self styled 'independents', ie Democrats have anything to say about what strategies the Republicans should use in the next election.

                              You've called me narrow minded and a carpetbagger. Got any more names?
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                              • #45
                                Originally posted by Ben Kenobi
                                Name one.
                                We are the preeminent national organization for whole life Democrats, promoting whole-life issues that protect human life at all of its stages.. We are the pro-life voice and wing of the Democratic Party.


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