Marriage, Gays, and Atheists

[BlackCat]

Ben, I'm still curious about why the fact that a religion distinguishes between sheeps and goats has any influence on how humans interact.

[MrFun]

Originally posted by Ben Kenobi


Why is that?

I'm not going down the polygamy road with you because I'm not supportive of legally-sanctioned polygamous marriages.


If you want to know why that I do not support polygamy, I've explained it before. Gender inequality in polygamous relationships can be even more pronounced than in monogamous relationships. And then there are issues with how life insurance, joint-tax filing, divorce issues, and other issues I cannot think of that would have to be reworked to accomodate polygamous marriages.

But if you're looking for me to argue in favor of polygamous marriages, you just hit a dead-end. Someone else here would have to take that up.

[Ben Kenobi]

There's plenty of empirical evidence, from the studies you claimed you've seen earlier. Evidently you haven't read them.

The brain studies? There isn't evidence to show those differences were there prior. You'd have to show before and after, which the studies explicitly do not show. All it shows is the after picture, which is proof that sexual activity affects the way in which the brain is structured.

Besides which, there's no empirical evidence to the contrary either. You are making a LOT of assumptions that are not supported by any evidence

No, these assumptions are the same ones raised by others. You think I'm smart enough to do my own thinking here? There is something called research, you know.

and on top of it you admit they are not true for you (eg, you cannot decide you are gay and **** men) and everyone here who is gay is also telling you it is not true.

Which raises my suspicion of bias. Have I ever claimed fixed orientation? I simply said that my desires have not changed. When everyone is singing from the same sheet, that doesn't reinforce my perception that ideology is out of the picture.

It's complete bigoted rhetoric that isn't even internally consistent. You just find it convenient to use to excuse your bigotry.

Then you are welcome to examine my rhetoric to prove this is the case.

I love how you're either too dumb to comprehend what people say, or you're too dishonest to take what people say as they mean them. This is why no one is siding with you. Even if they may agree with you, they don't agree with the disgusting way in which you engage in arguments.

"how one thinks does not matter when it comes to pairing up spouses"

I'm not sure why you are this dense. My own feelings have never changed. I have said this explicitly and repeatedly.

And you have said precisely the opposite before.

Do you need me to explain with a Muppets show or using Barney episodes or something? Are my words to big? Tell me what I can to to communicate with you.

Read Ming's reply.

I never "swore up and down" I was bi. I identified as bi during a phase where I was beginning to deal with my homosexuality.

Yes, you did.

I dated women and even had sex with one but I was never attracted to them. I was never heterosexual and I was never bisexual, I was homosexual the entire time but tried to convince myself (and others) that I was heterosexual, then bisexual before I finally admitted I was neither.

More revisionism. You've made your decision now and everything now has to fit your new worldview. People just aren't that straightforward Asher.

That's a terrific example. Science came with evidence that the earth revolved around the sun, which contradicted the beliefs of the church *coughcough*. What did they do to that scientist and his evidence? Did they acknowledge it? Tell us, Ben.

Tycho was persecuted?

Man, what a dumb example to bring up. Classic Kenobi.

Point stands. The appeal to scientific consensus does not indicate the truth of an argument.

[Asher]

Ben, you didn't respond to this part:

If sexuality is a choice, you are saying you have the capability of choosing to be homosexual and attracted to and exclusively have sex with men.

So, do you?

If you say yes, then you are not straight.
If you say no, then your assertion is incorrect.

So simple, yet so awesome. Yes or no, Ben...yes or no?

[Asher]

Originally posted by Ben Kenobi
No, these assumptions are the same ones raised by others. You think I'm smart enough to do my own thinking here? There is something called research, you know.

Which raises my suspicion of bias. Have I ever claimed fixed orientation? I simply said that my desires have not changed

So you are saying people can change orientation but you have not. So why do you say such a thing? Where's your proof?

Then you are welcome to examine my rhetoric to prove this is the case.

That's precisely what has been done in this thread by me and many others.

And you have said precisely the opposite before.

Quote it or shut up and apologize.

Also, my comment about how people think refer to gender stereotypes, which was the context of the reply. Were you too stupid to understand the context or are you too dishonest to admit you knew the context?

Yes, you did.

I know what I said. Quote or, or shut up and apologize. You weren't even around here during my bi days. You're a pathological liar.

More revisionism. You've made your decision now and everything now has to fit your new worldview. People just aren't that straightforward Asher.

It is not at all revisionism. It's not a decision. It's something I've struggled with all of my life until a few years ago, and I genuinely resent the fact that you think it's just a simple decision of who to have sex with. It's not, you have no idea what you're talking about, you're tremendously insensitive and incredibly stupid and astoundingly dishonest. You are truly one of the worst human beings I've ever had the displeasure to meet, and if there is a God there's an especially hot place in hell with your name on it.

[Ben Kenobi]

If sexuality is a choice, you are saying you have the capability of choosing to be homosexual and attracted to and exclusively have sex with men.

Hmm? Yes, of course. I've said that before.

So simple, yet so awesome. Yes or no, Ben...yes or no?

I don't see why you think it means what it does. If you are saying that it makes me gay if I can choose to be gay, then you just destroyed your entire argument.

[KrazyHorse]

You need to chow down on a cockmeat sandwich, Ben. It'll be good for you.

[Ben Kenobi]

So you are saying people can change orientation but you have not. So why do you say such a thing? Where's your proof?

From my own observations of people flipping back and forth at whim. I said that previously.

I know what I said. Quote or, or shut up and apologize. You weren't even around here during my bi days. You're a pathological liar.

It is not at all revisionism. It's not a decision. It's something I've struggled with all of my life until a few years ago, and I genuinely resent the fact that you think it's just a simple decision of who to have sex with.

I never said it was a simple decision. Don't put words in my mouth. I am saying it was difficult for you, and you are revising things now to make it all fit together. I think you are doing yourself a disservice.

It's not, you have no idea what you're talking about, you're tremendously insensitive and incredibly stupid and astoundingly dishonest. You are truly one of the worst human beings I've ever had the displeasure to meet, and if there is a God there's an especially hot place in hell with your name on it.

Then you should repent and accept Christ.

Atheists damning me to hell is just weak.

[Asher]

Originally posted by Ben Kenobi


Hmm? Yes, of course. I've said that before.



I don't see why you think it means what it does. If you are saying that it makes me gay if I can choose to be gay, then you just destroyed your entire argument.

I'm saying anyone who can choose which gender to have sex with is bisexual, which you obviously are if you can choose to be attracted to men.

That explains why you think it's a choice, because it is for you. It's not for everyone.

[Asher]

Originally posted by Ben Kenobi
From my own observations of people flipping back and forth at whim. I said that previously.

As MrFun has tried to tell you, what they identify as does not correspond to what they are. Especially in mentally-****ed-up Christian circles like the ones you're in. They may also just be telling YOU they are now straight just so your incessant stupidity doesn't drive them insane.

This is not proof of any kind.

Then you should repent and accept Christ.

Atheists damning me to hell is just weak.

I'm not damning you to hell. It's a simple observation. You are a terrible human being, and terrible human beings go to hell unless I'm mistaken.

[Ben Kenobi]

I'm saying anyone who can choose which gender to have sex with is bisexual, which you obviously are if you can choose to be attracted to men.

So everyone is bisexual? That's a pretty silly definition.

Bisexuality is for those folks who are attracted to both men and women.

That explains why you think it's a choice, because it is for you. It's not for everyone.

No, I think it's a choice based on what I've seen. I don't see any evidence at all that it's fixed.

[Ben Kenobi]

As MrFun has tried to tell you, what they identify as does not correspond to what they are. Especially in mentally-****ed-up Christian circles like the ones you're in.

Right, 19 years before I became a Christian and of course we are talking about Christians here.

Now, why would you assume these folks are irrational? That's very telling. There's no reason they are anymore irrational then anyone who comes out, unless of course you believe in 'once gay, always gay.'

They may also just be telling YOU they are now straight just so your incessant stupidity doesn't drive them insane.

No, sorry.

This is not proof of any kind.

So where's your empirical proof that it's fixed?

I'm not damning you to hell. It's a simple observation. You are a terrible human being, and terrible human beings go to hell unless I'm mistaken.

Unless you're mistaken? You believe in God?

[Asher]

Originally posted by Ben Kenobi


So everyone is bisexual? That's a pretty silly definition.

Bisexuality is for those folks who are attracted to both men and women.

Yes, and if you can choose which one you are attracted to at the moment, you are bisexual.

[Asher]

Originally posted by Ben Kenobi
Now, why would you assume these folks are irrational? That's very telling.

Anyone who associates with you is not a rational person.

Unless you're mistaken? You believe in God?

One can understand Christian beliefs without believing in God, you Kenobi.

[Ben Kenobi]

Yes, and if you can choose which one you are attracted to at the moment, you are bisexual.

No, it doesn't work that way Asher. I have a friend who's that way and she says it's just she has an attraction to both men and women.

Anyways I've never been attracted at all to men, just women