Marriage, Gays, and Atheists

[Asher]

Originally posted by Naked Gents Rut
I should do a study on gay male life expectancy next semester. Seems like there hasn't been a serious one using data from after 1992.

It's no doubt gone up, substantially.

With the further social acceptance of gays, there's less mental issues that lead to as much destructive behaviour (there is still some, thanks to people like Ben).

Societal pressures have long focused many homosexuals into leading destructive lifestyles, especially in the time before the 90s. Lots of unprotected, promiscuous sex, drug use, etc.

[Naked Gents Rut]

It's no doubt gone up, substantially.

I know. That's why it would be interesting to study. Finding data would probably be quite difficult, though.

[MrFun]

Originally posted by Asher


He's never heard of Matthew Shepherd apparently. I thought everyone knew about him.

Murdered by two beautiful Christian boys. Boy scouts too.

The attackers were professed Christians and Boy Scouts?

I either forgot this tidbit over time, or the stuff I did read at the time I missed this.

One of reasons I didn't mention Matthew Shepherd in response to BK.

[Asher]

Originally posted by MrFun


The attackers were professed Christians and Boy Scouts?

I either forgot this tidbit over time, or the stuff I did read at the time I missed this.

One of reasons I didn't mention Matthew Shepherd in response to BK.

Yes, one of them was even an Eagle Scout...can't remember which.

[Ben Kenobi]

Words cannot express how pathetic you and your argument are.

If the NY freaking Times isn't going on about how the kids were Christian boy scouts, then I don't see any evidence for your statement other then the fact that you are pulling it out of your ass.

[MrFun]

Originally posted by Asher


Yes, one of them was even an Eagle Scout...can't remember which.

wow

[Asher]

Originally posted by Ben Kenobi


If the NY freaking Times isn't going on about how the kids were Christian boy scouts, then I don't see any evidence for your statement other then the fact that you are pulling it out of your ass.

http://www.geocities.com/WestHollywood/Stonewall/2878/vf3.html

From a Vanity Fair article:

Long before Cindy Dixon was found in the snow, people assumed Russell Henderson's parents were dead. He never knew his father, and at age 10 he had been taken from his mother's house, after reportedly having been abused by various of his mother's boyfriends. He was raised by his strict Mormon grandparents and became an honor student and a member of Future Farmers of America. He completed the requirements for the rank of Eagle Scout by cleaning a local cemetery,

[MrFun]

Do you want to keep coming up to bat BK even though you can't hit ****?

[Theben]

Ben, just admit that you hate gay people. I'd actually have more respect for you at this point if you did.

[Zevico]

Well, with respect to that court case, it has not much to do with gay marriage as such as it has to do with a Canadian Human Rights charter which allows for these sorts of awards of damages. Seems like a silly practice to make people may money for perceived slights or rudeness, or even bigotry and homophobia as displayed towards other people. The church shouldn't have been fined for rudeness, but that really has nothing to do with the arguments for and against gay marriage as such. It has a lot to do with whether that Canadian Act is right. I don't think it is, thus far.

[Asher]

Originally posted by Zevico
Well, with respect to that court case, it has not much to do with gay marriage as such as it has to do with a Canadian Human Rights charter which allows for these sorts of awards of damages. Seems like a silly practice to make people may money for perceived slights or rudeness, or even bigotry and homophobia as displayed towards other people. The church shouldn't have been fined for rudeness, but that really has nothing to do with the arguments for and against gay marriage as such. It has a lot to do with whether that Canadian Act is right. I don't think it is, thus far.

The important distinction that Ben doesn't make here -- but does in other threads when it suits him -- is the Tribunal is not a court and doesn't have the same powers of a court. It doesn't even have judges.

[Asher]

Originally posted by MrFun
Do you want to keep coming up to bat BK even though you can't hit ****?

Now that we know he's a Christian eagle scout, Ben's next arguments will be:

1) But how can you PROVE he was Christian !!!
2) But how can you PROVE he killed Matthew Shepherd because he was gay !!!

There's no end with him. Delusional til the bitter end.

[Asher]

BTW, this was in today's news and is relevant:

http://www.towleroad.com/2008/11/toronto-area-ga.html

Ten days ago I posted about a lesbian couple, Anji Dmitrou and Jane Currie, from Oshawa, Canada, east of Toronto, who were assaulted by a man, a fellow parent, while they were picking up their children at school. This all happened in front of the couple's children, the attacker's children, and other children at a school.

Attack1Last Friday night, 500 people showed up, including Oshawa's mayor, at a rally in support of the couple.

Watch Currie and Dmitrou speak at the rally, AFTER THE JUMP...

"The couple are pushing to have their attacker charged under the Criminal Code's hate crimes provisions. That decision would ultimately be up to a Crown attorney after police present evidence. Mark Scott, 43, of Oshawa is facing two counts of assault causing bodily harm in connection with the Nov. 3 incident outside at Gordon B. Attersley public school."

The same night of the rally, unfortunately, two teens were experiencing the same kind of homophobic attack in the city of Richmond Hill north of Toronto, according to reports and a group that has sprung up on Facebook.

Calvin_paulReports the group: "On Friday my two friends decided to attend a party not knowing that something really bad could happen to them. When they got to the party they weren't there for even five minutes when they were beaten to the ground by at least ten other guys. If you know Paul or Calvin they are the least threatening guys you will ever meet. They are both really nice and would never start any sort of crap with anyone. They were gang beaten to the ground. When I was talking to Calvin today he said that at one point they held him back while they beat up paul and all calvin could do was watch. There were also by-standers watching and not doing anything about it. When two girls did step up and try to do something about it one of them was punched in the face. The police were called and many of the people involved in the attack were arrested and charged but not all of them were caught. Furthermore a lot of the by-standers who didn't do anything were charged. When Calvin and Paul called the police the parent holding the party told them to leave and that they were trespassing! What happened is a huge piss off. Plus the idiots who did this to them chose the worst possible night to do this because there was a protest being held in Oshawa on the attacks of two lesbian women. So we are going to try our best to make these bastards go down."

Xtra reports that "a 17-year-old suspect, who cannot be identified, was arrested in connection with the assault."

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by MrFun
But, I also have to give a serious thumbs down to Asher for using such irrelevant, deragatory attacks like attacking someone for having a disability.

Stick to refuting twisted, distorted "argumentative points" - stop attacking someone for having a disability. I'm surprised the mods didn't catch what Asher posted.

Are you that ****ing stupid?

[chequita guevara]

Given the fact that 85% of Americans are Christian, its a fairly safe bet that a majority of murderers are also Christian, and thus, that majority of those people who murder gays are also Christian. For example, Dan White, whop murdered Harvey Milk (also Mayor Moscone, but he wasn't gay), was a church going boy.