Nationwide protest against Proposition 8 tomorrow.

[Imran Siddiqui]

Originally posted by Kidicious
I'll pile more evidence on in a few hours. I guess you will call that lazy though.

Was Ancient Athens democratic? This is the third time I've asked this question now.

[Dinner]

Originally posted by Naked Gents Rut
McCarthy is back and he's gay...


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What the hell are you talking about Drake. Weren't you one of the folks joining in the Fox News boycott of France and Canada back in 2003? Consumers have every right to boycott businesses for what ever reason and boycotting because the businesses support bigotry is a better reason then most.

[Naked Gents Rut]

What the hell are you talking about Drake. Weren't you one of the folks joining in the Fox News boycott of France and Canada back in 2003?

1. I never joined any boycott of France or Canada. That's just stupid.

2. I'm not Drake.

[MrFun]

So what do you think about the democratic process that would allow for the genocide of blacks, Drake? Thumbs up, or thumbs down?

[DinoDoc]

Great protests so far, MrFun! Stuff like this is sure to win people over.

[chequita guevara]

Cuz MrFun is responsible for all gay people now, including people with politics he doesn't support?

[Lefty Scaevola]

Originally posted by MrFun
So what do you think about the democratic process that would allow for the genocide of blacks,

I think you would need to replace the electorate.

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by Naked Gents Rut
2. I'm not Drake.

The hell you aren't, Runza boy.

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui


Well, Patroklos, that's because in communism they'd exterminate the minorities first.

I did notice that neither Kid nor Che responded to my contention that under their defintions, "communism" has to mean Stalism or Maoism because that's how people define the term.

I haven't been paying that close attention to the thread.

[Lefty Scaevola]

Originally posted by Comrade Snuggles
(The Founding Fathers) are dead.

So will you be. They will remembered and respected by millions for centuries yet. Few give a damn about you right now nor will more do so in the future.

[chequita guevara]

I don't care what people think about me after I'm dead, because I'll be dead. Anyways, I suspect people will remember the person who led the world wide socialist revolution.

[Kidlicious]

Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
Well, Patroklos, that's because in communism they'd exterminate the minorities first.

I did notice that neither Kid nor Che responded to my contention that under their defintions, "communism" has to mean Stalism or Maoism because that's how people define the term.

Fine, call it democratic communism then. Now ask yourself how you can have a communist system that is democratic? Is it just that everyone has an equal vote? No. It means that everyone is equal. It's the opposite of tyranny, and not Stalinism.

Actually I didn't catch this contention, but in fact you're just admitting that you're wrong, that the meaning of words change. You conservatives are so funny. You don't want to admit that society has changed. You want to go on living as if you were in 1776. The fact is that there are no more democracies left like that of America in 1776. Democracy itself has drastically changed, so the use of the word itself will change. But wacky conservatives like you will go on not making any sense.

[Imran Siddiqui]

Now ask yourself how you can have a communist system that is democratic? Is it just that everyone has an equal vote?

Yes.

in fact you're just admitting that you're wrong, that the meaning of words change

You have reading comprehension problems. Or did you not see the "their definitions"? Thought not.

[MrFun]

Originally posted by DinoDoc
Great protests so far, MrFun! Stuff like this is sure to win people over.

Nice troll.

First, I'm not an anarchist myself.

Second, this kind of violent activity does not represent the majority of peaceful protestors. The group I was with was a fine example of angry but peaceful expression.

[Kidlicious]

Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
May I add:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illiberal_democracy

An illiberal democracy is a governing system in which although fairly free elections take place, citizens are cut off from real power due to the lack of civil liberties. This may be because a constitution limiting government powers exists but its liberties are ignored, or to the simple absence of an adequate legal constitutional framework of liberties.

Was Ancient Athens democratic?

More democratic than governments that ruled before it, but today we would say that it wasn't very democratic at all. You see the meaning of words change. I'm sorry if that is inconvenient for you, but you'll have to deal with it.