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  • #181
    Originally posted by DinoDoc
    Then define what you mean by enough support from House Rs and provide evidence that doesn't contradict your point. Because right now I'm not seeing where they signed onto this deal.
    He's trying to push his spin that McCain's coming to Washington deep sixed this deal without any proof at all.
    “I give you a new commandment, that you love one another. Just as I have loved you, you also should love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.”
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    • #182
      Originally posted by GePap
      To claim that the Democrats were "playing politics" by having hammered an agreement by Thursday morning in order to "hurt McCain" is silly.
      Oh, undoubtedly that part is spin. But so is the "McCain prevented this bill from passing" crap. The House Republicans didn't really like this bill since the beginning (rumblings where there since it was announced)
      “I give you a new commandment, that you love one another. Just as I have loved you, you also should love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.”
      - John 13:34-35 (NRSV)

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      • #183
        Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
        He's trying to push his spin that McCain's coming to Washington deep sixed this deal without any proof at all.
        I know that and you know that. I'm just trying to see if I can get him to admit it.
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        • #184
          Originally posted by Kidicious
          That's because it is.
          Do you understand the key distinction between "gift" and "purchase"?
          Unbelievable!

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          • #185
            Originally posted by Darius871


            Do you understand the key distinction between "gift" and "purchase"?
            It's my understanding that they plan to purchase the securities at book value. That's a gift.
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            • #186
              Then define what you mean by enough support from House Rs


              Sufficient support that there's a deal. Which there were indications of early in Thursday. The revolt happened later.

              If you were following the news early in the day, everyone was talking about an imminent deal. Then it fell through.

              He's trying to push his spin that McCain's coming to Washington deep sixed this deal without any proof at all.



              I, never said anything about him single-handedly deep-sixing the deal.

              I said that his role was counterproductive. Which it was. Boehner's aide admitted as much, if you remove the blatant spin (which you apparently just admitted was spin) from his statement.
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              • #187
                You just added your own blatant spin. Just another side of the same coin.
                “I give you a new commandment, that you love one another. Just as I have loved you, you also should love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.”
                - John 13:34-35 (NRSV)

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                • #188
                  No, it's not. I repeated exactly what Smith said, minus the conspiratorial spin.
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                  • #189
                    Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui


                    Oh, undoubtedly that part is spin. But so is the "McCain prevented this bill from passing" crap. The House Republicans didn't really like this bill since the beginning (rumblings where there since it was announced)
                    So why did they "go along" until then? They had all of Wednesday to scuttle the ongoing process. They could have made their stand prior to BUsh's meeting with the two candidates. They didn't.

                    Perception is sometimes everything, and their timming aids in the perception that it had something to do with campaign politics.
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                    • #190
                      I'd parse this quote if it were longer than a single sentence:

                      The aide, Kevin Smith, said Republicans revolted, in part, because they were chafing at what they saw as an attempt by Democrats to jam through an agreement on the bailout early Thursday and deny McCain an opportunity to participate in the agreement.


                      Minus the conspiratorial spin, Smith explicitly said that McCain is part of the reason why the deal fell through.
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                      • #191
                        It could be said that the Dems were more concerned about playing politics then about the quality of the bill.
                        It's almost as if all his overconfident, absolutist assertions were spoonfed to him by a trusted website or subreddit. Sheeple
                        RIP Tony Bogey & Baron O

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                        • #192
                          What does that even mean?
                          "Beware of the man who works hard to learn something, learns it, and finds himself no wiser than before. He is full of murderous resentment of people who are ignorant without having come by their ignorance the hard way. "
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                          • #193
                            Originally posted by rah
                            It could be said that the Dems were more concerned about playing politics then about the quality of the bill.
                            By whom? Not Senate Republicans, who were going along, nor Bush, who wanted this done yesterday...

                            But I guess Bush still hates McCain, and his fellow Republican Senators must too, having been going along with this Anti-McCain timeline....

                            Except of course that McCain is the one that inserted himself by claiming that this crisis was so terrible he had to suspecnd his campaign, and then took almost a full day to travel from NY to DC, a trip he could have made in four hours, and have been there on Wednesday instead.
                            If you don't like reality, change it! me
                            "Oh no! I am bested!" Drake
                            "it is dangerous to be right when the government is wrong" Voltaire
                            "Patriotism is a pernecious, psychopathic form of idiocy" George Bernard Shaw

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                            • #194
                              Originally posted by GePap
                              So why did they "go along" until then? They had all of Wednesday to scuttle the ongoing process. They could have made their stand prior to BUsh's meeting with the two candidates. They didn't.

                              Perception is sometimes everything, and their timming aids in the perception that it had something to do with campaign politics.
                              Guess what, most of the rank and file WERE rumbling about it, from Monday onward. If you read the articles about it you always had a quote from a House Republican who was unsettled (Cantor especially), who usually referred to it as socialism.

                              Boehner wasn't one of them, and felt he could win them to his side, but he couldn't.
                              “I give you a new commandment, that you love one another. Just as I have loved you, you also should love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.”
                              - John 13:34-35 (NRSV)

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                              • #195
                                Originally posted by Ramo
                                I'd parse this quote if it were longer than a single sentence:

                                The aide, Kevin Smith, said Republicans revolted, in part, because they were chafing at what they saw as an attempt by Democrats to jam through an agreement on the bailout early Thursday and deny McCain an opportunity to participate in the agreement.


                                Minus the conspiratorial spin, Smith explicitly said that McCain is part of the reason why the deal fell through.
                                Minus ANY spin, Smith was saying the House Republicans were unsettled at the "deal" and were feeling pushed into it without their concerns about the biggest bailout in US history (such as the government being this entangled in private business) being addressed.

                                Yes, I realize you want your spin to win... but its quite obviously spin.
                                “I give you a new commandment, that you love one another. Just as I have loved you, you also should love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.”
                                - John 13:34-35 (NRSV)

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