Biden Runs His Mouth, Gets Disingenuous on Our Asses

[Ramo]

Any presidential candidate is picking a VP that will help him win. If you believe otherwise, you're naive.

And I wouldn't want anyone as president that didn't try to win.

Given that the modern VP (from Mondale on) has been entrusted with a large amount of power, typically becomes the nominee the next time their party's nomination is open, and there's a not insignificant chance that the President will die in office (particularly if he's 72), electability alone (which is obviously what Palin is about) is a totally irresponsible basis for selecting the VP.

[rah]

Just because I question his judgment doesn't mean I won't vote for him. I dislike Obama's judgment worse so this won't be the deciding factor.

The only reason I said it was because of all the dems attacking McCain for his pick and saying he shouldn't be president because of his poor judgment but heaven forbid if someone questions "THE ONE'S" pick.

And for why I question McCain's judgment on Palin. He probably fell in love with the concept but didn't wait for her to be totally vetted before going with her. He went with his gut without thinking enough. While I think you not every decision made has to over analized, I don't think he used enough here.

But on the other side of the coin. Give her a couple of years in the position and I'd give her a decent shot at being successful at it. I do believe that the only real experience comes from doing. There's no classes you can take to prepare you for something like this.

[Lorizael]

Originally posted by rah
Just because I question his judgment doesn't mean I won't vote for him. I dislike Obama's judgment worse so this won't be the deciding factor.

You've already stated that you're voting Republican because you're looking after your own financial well-being. Again, don't pretend that this stupid campaign actually matters any.

Your decision isn't based on who shows better judgment or who's less elite or anything like that. You're selfish and short-sighted but you pretend that the details of the campaign are important so as to come across as a responsible citizen.

[Ramo]

ANCHORAGE, Alaska (AP) — Less than a week after balking at the Alaska Legislature's investigation into her alleged abuse of power, Gov. Sarah Palin on Monday indicated she will cooperate with a separate probe run by people she can fire.

http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5jOTk11gvqDAgD0cY3i4WjI_2YOxwD93C3QH00

[Zkribbler]

Originally posted by rah
Any presidential candidate is picking a VP that will help him win. If you believe otherwise, you're naive.

And I wouldn't want anyone as president that didn't try to win.

Let's pretend

You're running for President.

You've just got the results back from you physical and they're not good. The doctors say there's just a 50-50 chance you'll live long enough to finish your first term in office, if elected.

You're neck-and-neck in the polls and need to pick a running mate.

VP Candidate No. 1 is not that popular, won't help win the election, but will make a great President.

VP Candidate No. 2 is expremely popular and will probably give you a 10-15 bounce in the polls, but is a complete idiot & slimeball and would make a horrible President.

Whom do you choose??

[Lorizael]

Originally posted by Zkribbler
Let's pretend

You're running for President.

You've just got the results back from you physical and they're not good. The doctors say there's just a 50-50 chance you'll live long enough to finish your first term in office, if elected.

You're neck-and-neck in the polls and need to pick a running mate.

VP Candidate No. 1 is not that popular, won't help win the election, but will make a great President.

VP Candidate No. 2 is expremely popular and will probably give you a 10-15 bounce in the polls, but is a complete idiot & slimeball and would make a horrible President.

Whom do you choose??

I choose to drop out of the race. Anything else is irresponsible. If you're running for president for yourself, you're doing it for the wrong reasons.

[Zkribbler]

Originally posted by Lorizael


I choose to drop out of the race. Anything else is irresponsible. If you're running for president for yourself, you're doing it for the wrong reasons.

I, for one, am shocked, shocked to find personal ambition going on in Washington!

[conmcb25]

Originally posted by Zkribbler


Let's pretend

You're running for President.

You've just got the results back from you physical and they're not good. The doctors say there's just a 50-50 chance you'll live long enough to finish your first term in office, if elected.

You're neck-and-neck in the polls and need to pick a running mate.

VP Candidate No. 1 is not that popular, won't help win the election, but will make a great President.

VP Candidate No. 2 is expremely popular and will probably give you a 10-15 bounce in the polls, but is a complete idiot & slimeball and would make a horrible President.

Whom do you choose??

Not accepting the parties nomination in the first place. Any other answer is another reason to vote third party......

[Lorizael]

Originally posted by Zkribbler
I, for one, am shocked, shocked to find personal ambition going on in Washington!

I'm not exactly a supporter of our current political process.

[rah]

Originally posted by Lorizael


You've already stated that you're voting Republican because you're looking after your own financial well-being. Again, don't pretend that this stupid campaign actually matters any.

Your decision isn't based on who shows better judgment or who's less elite or anything like that. You're selfish and short-sighted but you pretend that the details of the campaign are important so as to come across as a responsible citizen.

You're clueless.
In democracies, self interest has always ruled the roost. Anything more nobel is a fantasy and self-delusional.

Yes I have stated that I usually vote republican because it usually helps me financially but that's only one reason.
Prior to the primaries I really thought that the repugs couldn't nominate anyone that I'd like and was actually interested in our local kid Obama. But his attitude and hypocrisy has turned me off. He is not fresh and pure and the reincarnation of Jesus, he's just another politician bred in the mud of chicago politics.
If he had campaigned on his policies instead of all the rock star stuff, that wouldn't have bothered me. But he made it the crux of his campaign and it's all a lie.

Dems are going to be spending the next 40 days trying to remove the stench from him with little success. Granted the current REPUG ad about it goes over the top, which is a shame because it lessens the credibility of that attack as a whole. I wish they had limited it to the facts.

And finally if the repugs had come up with anybody but McCain, I'd actually have a decision to make this election. Which is more than I can say about most democrats. They wouldn't vote for Jesus if he was running as a repug.

[Patroklos]

Of course not, they are athiest slime or muslims

[Arrian]

Anything more nobel is a fantasy and self-delusional.

Perhaps so.

Though I still think you're terribly wrong about how insulated you and yours are. You'll go down with the ship with the rest of us, rah, if it comes to that. I'm not saying that electing McCain will cause a collapse or electing Obama will fix everything. Neither of them appears to have any intention of facing reality when it comes to the budget, unfortunately (I had some hope for a while there...). What I *am* saying is that pure short-term self-interest is actually a dumb way to vote.

Just like it's a dumb way to run a country, or an investment bank...

-Arrian

[Lorizael]

Originally posted by rah
You're clueless.
In democracies, self interest has always ruled the roost. Anything more nobel is a fantasy and self-delusional.

I'm not exactly a supporter of our current political process.

But his attitude and hypocrisy has turned me off. He is not fresh and pure and the reincarnation of Jesus, he's just another politician bred in the mud of chicago politics.
If he had campaigned on his policies instead of all the rock star stuff, that wouldn't have bothered me. But he made it the crux of his campaign and it's all a lie.

Christ, I was wrong; you're actually swayed by our ridiculous media. It's not so much that you're selfish but that you're gullible. You think you'd know better, what with your ****ing twin brother being a goddamn ad man.

You should choose your president based on smart and sound policy decisions, not on how he makes you feel or other stupid **** like that.

Which is more than I can say about most democrats. They wouldn't vote for Jesus if he was running as a repug.

Er, yes, we live in an incredibly restrictive two-party system where most voters vote down party lines. Congratulations on figuring that out.

Also, I wouldn't vote for Jesus; he's not a natural born citizen.

[Zkribbler]

Originally posted by rah
You're clueless.
.

As your twin would say: "Attack the clueless post, not the clueless poster.:

[rah]

Agreed that neither is likely to be the salvation especially trying to base it on the crap they spewing.
So if you don't know who is going to help you in the long term, why not do it based on how you percieve it will help you in the short term. At least it's based on something.

But I'm not delusional to believe the McCain walks on water and will solve all the ills of the world. Obama does seem to be selling himself as the one that will save us all, I think it's all smoke and mirrors and I prefer not to have a smoke and mirrors person in the WH. SO I get to choose what I believe as everyone else does. This doesn't make me a selfish bastard, just a realist.