Biden Runs His Mouth, Gets Disingenuous on Our Asses

[Zkribbler]

Originally posted by rah
Just more proof that most Obama backers are like him, too serious and lack any sense of humor. I posted it in a humorous fashion, even using a ' ' after my judgment comment and instead of seeing the humor in it all "THE ONE" fanboys come out and throw back other dirt and refuse to see the humor in it. Come on, didn't you actually chuckle a bit when you read it? Admit it.

It was supposed to be humorous?? And here I am being criticized in another thread for finding O'Reilly humorous.

Repugs use the word "humorous" in bizarre and inexplicable ways. --Hey, maybe that's what they meant when they say they're the party of "change."

[Imran Siddiqui]

Originally posted by Zkribbler
Biden's just pointing out that no one from the administration has explained frankly to the American people, what happened. Instead, boogie men like "greed" and "corruption" are trotted out.

Paulson isn't from the administration? I'd say that Paulson and Bernanke going in front of Congress is trying to explain (in part) what happened, but as Brian Williams said last night, (paraphrasing) even those that follow the news intently really don't know what's exactly going on. I just think that Paulson went on TV in front of the American people, they'd scratch their heads and wonder what in the Hell a credit-default swap was even though Paulson spent 10 minutes describing it.

[rah]

So I take it you didn't chuckle at all.
I rest my case.


And Ash, this thread isn't about his lies technically. It's about him running off at the mouth. Not quite the same. I'm not accusing him of lying that FDR was the president in 1929, just inferring that he's a clown.
And yes there were a LOT OF THREADS about McCain's Lies. SATISFIED?

[Asher]

McCain: Liar Liar Pants on Fire.

Say it! Say it!

[rah]

OK,
McCain Liar Liar Pants on Fire
Obama elitist liar liar trousers aflame
Palin doesn't know enough fact so she can't lie.
Biden doesn't know what he's talking about but that doesn't stop him from continueing to talk and talk and talk. The contest is what comes out first, brilliance or stupidity. 50/50

[rah]

But that's the great thing about Apolyton that I really appreciate. Most of the posters here are not idiots. (operative phrase "most" )You can't say something without it being quickly challanged here. It makes you think. Unlike other sites where you can same something stupid and 10 people will post that you're right and how great everything is.

example. I was reading up on Obama's voting record while he was on the campaign trail (the fact that he usually was absent and didn't vote at all), and made a crack about it here. Less than 5 minutes later, three people have posted that McCains voting attendance was worse. DOH Or when talking about reform and mentioning McCain-Feingold bill only to be reminded that there was also an Obama-Feingold bill.

It's good to be challanged. It makes us question, and despite any perceived anger, I wouldn't want it any other way. We learn by our mistakes and lord knows I learn here. (from everyone but asher of course )

[PLATO]

I thought this was a good thread to put this one in:

DEWEY BEACH, Delaware (CNN) -- Although Democratic vice presidential candidate Joe Biden routinely mocks his Republican counterpart, Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin, for her onetime support of the infamous "Bridge to Nowhere," Biden and his running mate voted to keep the project alive twice.


Democratic vice presidential candidate Sen. Joe Biden campaigns in Washington on Tuesday.

Both Biden and Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama voted to kill a Senate amendment that would have diverted federal funding for the bridge to repair a Louisiana span badly damaged by Hurricane Katrina, Senate records show.

And both voted for the final transportation bill that included the $223 million earmark for the Alaska project.

An amendment offered by Sen. Tom Coburn, R-Oklahoma, would have stripped the money appropriated to connect the Alaskan coastal city of Ketchikan to its airport on sparsely populated Gravina Island and diverted the money to Louisiana.

But Biden andObama and 80 of their colleagues rejected the measure, an amendment to a massive 2005 transportation bill that funded thousands of projects across the country. Watch how Biden has blasted Palin »

"That is probably the most disturbing element of this and the campaigning on the Bridge to Nowhere," said Bill Allison of the Sunlight Foundation, a taxpayer watchdog group. "Because, yes, they had a chance to vote specifically against the Bridge to Nowhere in Alaska to redirect the money to people, to bridges and infrastructure damaged by Hurricane Katrina going in to New Orleans, and they chose not to."

Palin, whom McCain chose as his running mate in August, has regaled crowds at the Republican convention and on the campaign trail with her declaration of "Thanks, but no thanks" for the bridge. But her conversion came after she became Alaska's governor in 2006 and after the bridge became a national symbol of congressional waste.

The record shows that she supported the bridge as a gubernatorial candidate, and Democrats have seized on the flip-flop, perhaps no one with as much relish as Biden.

"I got also a bridge I got to sell you here, and guess what, it's in Alaska, and it goes nowhere," Biden mocked Palin on the campaign trail last week in Maumee, Ohio. And in Canton, Ohio, he tied it to McCain.

"If you look at it John McCain's answers for the economy, and we're in such desperate shape, is the ultimate bridge to nowhere. It's nowhere," Biden said. "It takes you nowhere."

But while the applause line appealed to the Democratic faithful, it could come back to bite the Delaware senator.

This year, Delaware has requested 116 congressional earmarks through Biden, its longtime senator, at a cost to taxpayers of $342 million. In an appearance on CNN's "American Morning" with anchor John Roberts, Biden said that he had been open about those requests and that they all can be justified.

"Everyone has seen them, and we have no Lawrence Welk Museums and have no bridges to nowhere in Delaware. It's all straight up," Biden said.

Among his requests: $1 million for renovation of an opera house in Wilmington, another million for the construction of a children's museum and thousands of dollars for a water park renovation in Lewes.

"I think opera patrons generally can afford to -- you can raise money for an opera house; you can refurbish things a lot of different ways," Allison said.

"To have federal taxpaying dollars -- which is coming from people all over the country; low-income, middle-income people, as well as the wealthy -- to go to pay for the renovation of something that is really a luxury for Wilmington ... There are far more vital projects that anyone could think of that needs money. You got health care. You got education. You got all other types of things. Instead, we are redirecting money to refurbish an opera house in Wilmington or to build a children's museum."

And Biden's request includes a bridge that even the head of the Rehoboth Beach-Dewey Beach Chamber of Commerce says is not crucial at this juncture.

The Indian River Inlet Bridge is a vital link between two popular beachfront towns: Dewey and Bethany. Without it, the estimated 30,000 summer visitors would have to travel an additional 35 minutes to get to the towns.

"We need a new bridge, and we are fortunate to be at a place where it is finally going to happen," said Carol Everhart, the chief of the Chamber of Commerce.

The existing bridge has some erosion problems, and if it ever collapsed, Everhart said, it would cause an economic disaster in the community. But it's safe for now.

"The bridge, as it is, is perfectly safe," she said.

Still, Biden asked for $13 million to help shore up the existing bridge and begin construction of a new one. And that's what troubles the Sunlight Foundation's Allison.

"This bridge is not in any danger of collapse, and essentially what Sen. Biden is doing is saying, 'My state bridge gets the priority dollar even though it is not a priority project,' " Allison said.

He said the Department of Transportation, rather than U.S. senators, should be deciding which bridges get priority funding in the country. That way, the bridges in the U.S. that need immediate repair would be first in line for the dollars needed to do the work.

As he embarked on his presidential bid in 2007, Obama said he would no longer ask for earmark projects. McCain, who has been a longtime critic of the process, does not seek any for his home state of Arizona.


CNN asked Biden's campaign whether it could ask the senator about his earmark requests and his votes on the Bridge to Nowhere.

In response, a staffer e-mailed, "You've interviewed Gov. Palin re: her completely made up position on the Bridge to Nowhere right?"

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/09/23/biden.earmarks/index.html

[rah]

Now that's hilarious. SO both of them voted to fund the bridge to nowhere. I hate all politicians.

[Asher]

Did they vote to fund it, or did they vote down a bill to spend money elsewhere? They're not explicitly the same thing you know.

[Arrian]

Oy.

-Arrian

[Asher]

It's like having the status quo being to fund $100B for Sarah Palin's makeup collection.
Then having another bill to fund $100B to go to Dick Cheney's rifle collection.

If I vote down the $100B for Dick Cheney's rifle collection, does it mean I voted to support the bridge to nowhere?

[Wiglaf]

Read.

"And both voted for the final transportation bill that included the $223 million earmark for the Alaska project."

[Asher]

What else was in the bill?

You know how politics are. Every bill has something ridiculous attached to it.

It's one of your country's failings. I've enumerated many of them already.

[Zkribbler]

Originally posted by rah
Now that's hilarious. SO both of them voted to fund the bridge to nowhere. I hate all politicians.

What they voted for was the finance bill.

The article misses entirely the incidiousness of earmarks. They get inserted into critical bills, and our legislators can't vote against them without killing the entire bill.

[rah]

and

An amendment offered by Sen. Tom Coburn, R-Oklahoma, would have stripped the money appropriated to connect the Alaskan coastal city of Ketchikan to its airport on sparsely populated Gravina Island and diverted the money to Louisiana.

But Biden andObama and 80 of their colleagues rejected the measure