It's war. Part III

[Patroklos]

I am in politics.

Nah, your standing outside in the rain shouting "LET ME IN!!! I'M SERIOUS GUYS!!! Guys! Guys?"

[PLATO]

Originally posted by Comrade Snuggles


NATO is the enemy of the people's of Earth. Of course I'm anti-NATO.

Did you mean The people's republic of earth?

[DinoDoc]

Originally posted by Comrade Snuggles
Shelling a few villages is equivalent to an all out bombardment on a city?

Your post doesn't answer the question asked. I'm not even sure why you watsed the bandwidth to make it.

[Kidlicious]

Originally posted by Saras


Wearing Che Guevara underpants =/= politics

[Serb]

Originally posted by Patroklos


Then your original comment...

"Just like the "wastly superior" Georgian army equipped with western hardware and trained by US instructors did against the Russians?"

Makes no sense, because in reality we had two vodka smelling drunks beat each other with the same damn nerf bats.

In reality we had a beating of typical East European NATO member "modern" and "well-trained", thus supposed to be "vastly superior" military, by suppose to be "drunk, untrained Russians using inferior hardware". Though Georgia is not officially a member, but have you seen their soldiers or cops? They are wearing a US-style uniforms. Actually it is the same uniform you soldiers are wearing. They had a large shipment of a second-hand clothes from US, I guess.

http://www.defendamerica.mil/photoessays/sep2002/p090402a1.html

So?

THEY WERE PREPARING FOR THIS WAR FOR YEARS.

Ummm, yeah, like I said mostly old crappy Soviet/Russian equipment.

Since when the:

Otokar_Cobra

DANA

RM-70

LAR-160

Humvee

M4

H&K G36

Tavor_TAR-21

Remington-700

Mk.19

Barrett M82A1

Bell-212

UH-1 Iroquois
FACM_Class_La_Combattante_IIa

Hermes-450

ARE RUSSIAN DESIGNS???

AS for their tanks, they were upgraded by the Israelis:

http://www.georgiatoday.ge/article_details.php?id=4520

Besides, most of the Eastern European newly NATO members rely on the Soviet designs standardized with NATO.
I believe Georgian military had more western equipment and more Georgian soldiers have been trained by Americans, then say Polish (at least in % terms).

All that means it the barracks had roofs, indoor toilets, and non dirt floors, unlike their Russian counterparts.

BS. That means exactly what that means - since they started to pump-up their military budget in 2004, they did their best to their military infrastructure and armed forces meet the NATO standards. And with your training and help, they quite succeeded their goal. But anyway, they were deservedly ****ed, since your NATO standards are pure sh!t and and a soap buble.
You Americans just can't fight, therefore you can't teach anyone how to fight more or less good, not to mention to fight good enough to beat the Russians.
All you can do is to gather an owerwhelming force of your allies to beat such military powerhouses as Yugoslavia, Iraq or tribal Afghanistan.
Suckers. And cowards. And hypocrites. And cowards and suckers again.
I hope you'll have a nice day now, after you faced the truth.

ORLY?

WTF is ORLY? And why your link doesn't work? Explain what do you mean?

T-62s asside, the fact that you still have T-72s doing anything other than gathering dust in museums is lauchable in its own right.

I see such little thing as an upgrade in unknown to the west.
T-72 is a fine tank when it is upgraded with modern electronics, reactive armor, ammo, etc.

Seriously? Did you just actually say this?

Yes, so, your point is?

[Serb]

Originally posted by Saras

So this is your response? We know you're a factually challenged putinjugend boy, but you did not provide a single argument saying that fronline equipment was NOT Russsian/Soviet.

1) First of all - FY, Mister "My dad was a glorious nazi freedom fighter, so am I".
2) You probably missed this part of my post:

"You trained them and suplied them with your harware, but it's true that the bulk of their weaponry is of Soviet origin. Just like the Polish army or other East European members of NATO. Still, before their humilating defeat the Georgian Armed Forces have been seen as a modern and well-trained force, the most battle ready force among all ex-Soviet republics. "

But it's really easy, just go to wikipedia:

Was there before I started to reply the original post.
Check my reply to Patro and see how many of that equipment is of Soviet/Russian origin.

How much air support did they have?

What was the tank vs tank ratio?

How many Georgian troops in SO proper?

The number of troops involved from the both sides was aprox. the same, but we clearly outgunned them with our heavy equipment and clearly controlled the skies.
Basically, they've been ****ed by superior firepower and training.
Case closed.

When did the "defeat" happen?

When they took so heavy casualties and were so demoralized, they started to run away with tails between their legs (3rd-4th day of the war).

Or do you consider their strategic retreat to Tbilisi a rout?

"strategic retreat"
When you do a strategic retreat you don't left a over 1/4 of your entire tank forces to the enemy.
We captured, once again - captured (in perfect condition) not destroyed 65 Georgian tanks and a sh!tload of their other hardware.

http://www.lenta.ru/articles/2008/08/21/trophy/

That was stampede, not a "strategic retreat".

What would YOU have done, militarily speaking, in their shoes, facing an assault on your capital and a potential occupation/"regime change"?

I would fight, not run with tail between my legs leaving my weapons behind.

I know this keeps your laundry machine busy, but dude, this is GEORGIA we're talking about, which you supposedly defeated "easily".

Now you gonna say that Georgia wasn't defeated at all?
Have you seen how their supreme commander Sukashvili "browned" his fancy aggressor's pants and later chewed his tie in panic?
Man, his military have been uterly ****ed, if we wanted to hang him we would take Tbilisi and hang him. The ****er knew that, as well as there are no more glorious Georgian army (at least as an organized force)to protect his sorrow arse.

Also, dropping "Neo" -

Does Neo-nazi sound better? Then wake-up you Neonazi.

[PLATO]

Serb, no matter how you try to spin it...and you don't spin it well...it is no big accomplishment to beat a 37,000 man army when you have absolute control of the sky and an overwhelming advantage in artillery and armour.

There is no doubt that similarly equipped and with equal numbers, the Georgians would have kicked the Ruskie butt.

The Russian military has one thing going for it...it has more stuff than its neighbors. If they were to fight a real enemy, they would fold up like a lawn chair.

[Serb]

Originally posted by PLATO
Serb, no matter how you try to spin it...and you don't spin it well...it is no big accomplishment to beat a 37,000 man army when you have absolute control of the sky and an overwhelming advantage in artillery and armour.

AND HOW DO YOU THINK YOU BEAT YOUR ENEMIES LIKE IRAQ OR AFGHANISTAN?

There is no doubt that similarly equipped and with equal numbers, the Georgians would have kicked the Ruskie butt.

Blah...balh...balh There is no doubt that similarly equipped and with equal numbers, the Iraqis would have kicked the Yankee's butt.

Wait a second, they are still kicking your butt, without the similar equipment or numbers.

The Russian military has one thing going for it...it has more stuff than its neighbors. If they were to fight a real enemy, they would fold up like a lawn chair.

1) Then try us already.
2) Corrected to:

The US military has one thing going for it...it has more stuff than its neighbors. If they were to fight a real enemy, they would fold up like a lawn chair.

[Saras]

Originally posted by Serb


Wait a second, they are still kicking your butt, without the similar equipment or numbers.

The US is fighting a counterinsurgency action, not an army vs army war. You were not doing that in Georgia.

[PLATO]

Originally posted by Serb

AND HOW DO YOU THINK YOU BEAT YOUR ENEMIES LIKE IRAQ OR AFGHANISTAN?


Blah...balh...balh There is no doubt that similarly equipped and with equal numbers, the Iraqis would have kicked the Ruskie butt.

Wait a second, they are still kicking your butt, without the similar equipment or numbers.



1) Then try us already.
2) Corrected to:

Like I said...you don't spin it well.

Firstly, I never made a claim about current US involvement in Iraq and Afghanistan. I would point out though that the Iraqi military folded rather quickly and a comparison to a military assault versus an occupation is quite ludicrous...but I guess that is all you have. I would also like to point out that the US is doing much better than Russia did in Afghanistan, but that does explain where you got the "run away with tails between their legs" statement.

Further, let me also point out that it took your mighty army 5 days to break the measley little force Georgia had while having complete control of the skys and heavily outgunning them. Your own points show how woeful the Russian military really is!

[Serb]

True, but they are still there and soon will run back home like they ran from Vietnam.

[Arrian]

I think his point, PLATO, is that we had massive superiority in arms, control of the sky, etc. in Iraq. Ergo, similar to Russia's advantages in Georgia.

Why I care to make this distinction is beyond me. 4:30 on a friday, baby. You may now continue the measuring contest.

-Arrian

[Saras]

Originally posted by Serb


True, but they are still there and soon will run back home like they run from Vietnam.

They ran from Vietnam because people voted so.

[Saras]

Originally posted by Arrian
Why I care to make this distinction is beyond me. 4:30 on a friday, baby. You may now continue the measuring contest.

-Arrian

I'm in bed nursing my torn anterior cruciate ligament, so I can do this all night long baby!

[Serb]

Originally posted by PLATO


Like I said...you don't spin it well.

Firstly, I never made a claim about current US involvement in Iraq and Afghanistan. I would point out though that the Iraqi military folded rather quickly and a comparison to a military assault versus an occupation is quite ludicrous...but I guess that is all you have. I would also like to point out that the US is doing much better than Russia did in Afghanistan

How told you you are doing better in Iraq?

Further, let me also point out that it took your mighty army 5 days to break the measley little force Georgia had while having complete control of the skys and heavily outgunning them. Your own points show how woeful the Russian military really is!

And let me point out that it took you about a HALF OF THE FRIKING YEAR to gather enough forces to invade Iraq (which was embargoed for a decade and thus had no modern weapons or spare parts) and about a month to actually beat their army.