It's war. Part III

[Chemical Ollie]

This is the Swedish response, the MILF ready too meet your reactions. Note the obvious NATO weapons

[Kidlicious]

MILF???

[Chemical Ollie]

If you don't know the word, you're too young to know

[Lancer]

He means Mil'k'. Swedish women are renowned for their milk production.

[Lancer]

One of the reasons Sweden doesn't have cows.

[Chemical Ollie]

Obviously, I react to all the talk about Russian hardware. Why are you Russians talking about the effects of Russian rockets, when all your complaints are about Western tanks?

[Serb]

Originally posted by Dr Strangelove
Also, the fact that Saakashvilli called a unilateral cease fire indicates that there had been exchanges of fire prior to August 8. Who fired first?

Probably the one who needed an excuse to start the bombardment of the city?
This Saak's "unilateral cease fire" was a true classic.
He made this statement at TV just hours before the oppening ceremony of the Olympics when his forces already had their orders to attack.

It's a pity that we have been ablle to send weapons to Georgia but not neutral observers.

But you did. There were/are OSCE military observers and the Georgians warned them they are gonna invade the South Ossetia, so they stay away from Tskhinvali.

[PLATO]

Originally posted by Dr Strangelove


Do the Russians never patrol the Black Sea? Do the support ships always arrive at the same time as the main body of the fleet? Wouldn't a fleet generally deploy the support vessles under escort well behind the main body? Is there an actual report of support vessels arriving at the area at the same time as the warships? What is the fast cruising speed of the types of warships deployed to the coast of Georgia on August 9.


No one has yet detailed the types of attacks allegedly staged by the South Ossetians prior to the Georgian attack. Were there in fact civilian casualties? I find it odd that even as the first reports of the beginning of this incident reached the international media the Georgians made reference to attacks by the South Ossetians, but not to civilian casualties inflicted.

Also, the fact that Saakashvilli called a unilateral cease fire indicates that there had been exchanges of fire prior to August 8. Who fired first? It's a pity that we have been ablle to send weapons to Georgia but not neutral observers.

Of course they patrol the Black Sea. The ships in question were in port

I am curious as well to see more details on the shelling that occured before the escalations began. Still, I think a major factor here is that the Russians made no effort or protest to stop them.

[BlackCat]

Originally posted by Serb
But you did. There were/are OSCE military observers and the Georgians warned them they are gonna invade the South Ossetia, so they stay away from Tskhinvali.

What do you mean with invade ? It's georgoian terroritory that the georgian army entered.

[Serb]

Originally posted by Chemical Ollie
Obviously, I react to all the talk about Russian hardware. Why are you Russians talking about the effects of Russian rockets, when all your complaints are about Western tanks?

Russian complains about Western tanks? WTF?

[Serb]

That's all. Enough of that crap. I'm out.

[Serb]

Keep living in your fantasy world of evil imperialist Russians and pure innocent Georgians.

[Whoha]

Originally posted by Dr Strangelove


At 16 knots it takes only a little over 22 hours to travel 400 nautical miles. Does the Russin Black Sea Fleet need its support vessels right on the front line when deploying over such a short distance? Furthermore, wouldn't it make sense to deply the support ships well behind the main body of the fleet?

400/16 = 25.

Showing my work:
1 knot = 0.514444444 m/s
1 nautical mile = 18.52 km
16 knots = ~8.23 m/s or 29.632 km/h
400 nautical miles = 740.8 km
740.8 km / 29.632 km/h = 25 h

And I'd assume that they wouldn't want the Georgians doing an end run around the four combat ships and sinking their support vessels, as well as the 4000 troops that the Georgians are saying landed. So they'd have to keep close by.

[BlackCat]

Originally posted by Serb
That's all. Enough of that crap. I'm out.

Ehrm, you have been the main producer of crap, so why stop now ?

[GePap]

Originally posted by PLATO

US/Britian/France (primarily) take 48 hours to defeat 550,000 man force (primarily equipped with best Soviet hardware) in 1991.

1. What about the 1 month of preliminary aeral bombardment? Why doesn't that count.

2. Please don't repeat the outright lie that Iraq in 1991 had anything remotely close to state of the art Soviet hardware. The Soviets never sold their best weapons to clients, anymore than the F-15 and F-16s the US has supplied to KSA and Egypt are equal to ours.

3. Also, hitting guys in trenches in a freaking desert is a lot easier than any urban or mountain fighting.

The Russian military is a joke by Western standards by nearly any measure Serb. The only people in the world that don't know it are the Russians.

Can you back this up with anything other than conjecture or prejudice?

Given that the US has outspent Russia by at least a factor of 40 over the last 10 years, our military better be damned better than theirs, otherwise we should all demand our money back.