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  • Originally posted by DinoDoc
    I would say that independent reporting from the hospital most casualties were taken to merrits more than a "So what" especially in light of the narriative you've been trying to construct for us during the course of this conflict.
    The only hospital in Tskhinvaly was destroyed within first hours of bambardments.
    And whoTF told you that most casualties were taken into the local hospital?
    WhTF told you that this report is independent?

    Because he serves to contradict the other narrative you've been trying to give us that it was the Georgians that were the agressors.
    1) Do you deny the bombardment of Tskhinvali by Georgian army?
    2) Don't you think that a surprise bombardment of a city (esp. at night when most of its residents are sleeping) is an act of agression and actually a war crime?

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    • His list was a pipe dream anyway. Welcome, reality.
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      He also hates Texans and Australians, he does diversify." ~ Braindead

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      • The good news is that Afghanistan just moved up a couple notches toward safe.
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        • Originally posted by Oerdin
          Chechnya and neighboring areas clearly don't want to be part of Russia and should be independent.
          Who told you so? Your media? They voted for their constitution which is very clear on that Chechnya is part of Russia. And since we discussed that many times, don't start it again. I have no time to reply all posts in this thread, not to start a new warfare over Chechnya again.

          You live in a glass house Serb so don't through stones.
          The same is true for you whenever you accuse other countries of agression.

          It appears we'll have to just to prevent Russia from doing another land grab.
          You think we are dreaming about grabbing a tiny peace of land (devastated by previous Georgian invasions) known as South Ossetia?
          You think we are dreaming about grabbing Ukraine?
          You better visit Crimea and ask its residents where they want to live - in the independent Ukraine or "evil Russia".
          And you'll get the same response as I have one year ago.
          One needs to be completely ignorant and blind to not realize that Ukraine is split on half between westen and eastern. You accept Ukraine in NATO, and the current Ukrainian leadership will have a really, I mean REALLY big problems and the Ukraine we know now will simple cease to exist without ANY Russian intervention.

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          • They love Russia so much they fought two wars to secure their independence?

            Think a little Serb.
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            • Originally posted by Oerdin
              Which explains the censorship the Russians were using to try to block independents from actually discovering the facts of the case. Censorship is always a good sign that the party in power is trying to cover up the facts.
              WHAT CENSORSHIP are you talking about???

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              • There has been massive Russian censorship of western journalists in North Ossetia and any who want to go to South Ossetia. Being told the whole region is a no go zone, confiscating recording equipment, and forbidding locals from talking to foreigners without prior approval.

                Censorship is a huge sign that Russia has something to hide and doesn't want their claims independently examined.
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                • Originally posted by Oerdin
                  They love Russia so much they fought two wars to secure their independence?

                  Think a little Serb.
                  Oh no, not this sh!t again.

                  They hate Russia so much that they supported Russia in the second war which was fought after the three years of their de-facto independence when Chechnya was ruled by an Islamic terrorist regime no better than the Taliban was (actually its twin brother)?
                  Akhmad Kadyrov was the SPIRITUTAL LEADER of ALL Chechens in their Jihad against Russia in the first Chechen war. He was the person who declared Jihad on Russia in the first war. And after their victory and just three years of the Maskhadov regime, who established a Sharia Law there and turned Chechnya into a "home sweet home" for all kinds of Islamic terrorists who didn't give a damn about Chechnya, but needed it only as a bridgehead for their holy war, Kadyrov called for all Chechens to join Russian forces to liberate it from those terrorist scums.

                  Think a little Oerdin. Though, I'm not sure you can handle that, 'cause this whole entire Chechen issue requires a lot of thinking.
                  No more comments about Chechnya from me. If you want to start it again, start other thread. But don't expect me to be there soon, 'cause I have a lot of posts to answer here.
                  Last edited by Serb; August 17, 2008, 14:29.

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                  • nm
                    Unbelievable!

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                    • Originally posted by Oerdin
                      There has been massive Russian censorship of western journalists in North Ossetia and any who want to go to South Ossetia. Being told the whole region is a no go zone, confiscating recording equipment, and forbidding locals from talking to foreigners without prior approval.

                      Censorship is a huge sign that Russia has something to hide and doesn't want their claims independently examined.
                      It's just your own fantasies, dude.
                      Russia has no authority in South Ossetia, they have their own authorities and police and there were some US citizens when the Georgian bombs start falling, and I already gave you the links to the videos where they express their opinoin about the conflict.
                      So, I see no reason why the local authorities prevented western journalists from to be there. In fact at least one American journalist have been wounded by the initial Georgian bombardment of Tskhinvali and later evaqated to Vladikavkaz. I doubt your media will ever showed him in the hospital.

                      So, basically you just pulled your story about censorship out of your ass. Especially I loved this part: "and forbidding locals from talking to foreigners without prior approval" - priceless bullsh!t!

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                      • Look at the previous threads as there are articles detailing this.

                        Please continue denying reality though as it is funny.
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                        • The American journalist who have been wounded in Tskhinbali is Winston Featherly.

                          Just read this blog, to get a picture who started this mess.


                          And notice, he is working for a "Republic of Georgia's most trusted newspaper"

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                          • Originally posted by Oerdin
                            Look at the previous threads as there are articles detailing this.

                            Please continue denying reality though as it is funny.
                            Another bullsh!t.
                            Give me the exact link, instead of your "blah-blah-blah".

                            I can't fight versus your "I miss those old good Evil empire days" bullsh!t fantasies.
                            Last edited by Serb; August 17, 2008, 14:22.

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                            • Originally posted by Kidicious


                              They are proposing to put 10 interceptor missles in Poland compared to 5,000 russian balistic warheads!
                              Both Russian and US nuclear arsenal is limited to 2000 warheads, not 5000, iirc.
                              First there are 10 interceptors, then 100, then... ???
                              But a hundred would be enough to shot down remaining Russian missiles in case if they destroy the bulk of our missiles in a surprise attack.

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                              • Originally posted by Sirotnikov

                                well to be frank, it does create a powerful military post on polish soil that can

                                a) gather russian information using various radars, sensors, and humint (excellent reason to have military attaches).
                                b) better gather information regarding russian action in east europe
                                c) slowly build up more capabilities against russia as well
                                d) even stronger western shield over poland, that falls into the russian spehere of interest.
                                Exactly.

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