It's war. Part III

[Kidlicious]

Originally posted by Serb


And? Does it mean they are always wrong?

They are wrong enough not to trust them.

[Serb]

Originally posted by Kidicious


They are wrong enough not to trust them.

If you can't trust to your military experts, then whom can you trust in military related issues?

[Serb]

Originally posted by Harry Tuttle
Critical Mass attained! Whoop, whoop!

Boom!!!

[Kidlicious]

Originally posted by Serb
If you can't trust to your military experts, then whom can you trust in military related issues?

“Stocks have reached what looks like a permanently high plateau.” –Irving Fisher, professor of economics at Yale University, October 17, 1929

“Forget it, Louis, no Civil War picture ever made a nickel.” –Irving Thalberg’s warning to Louis B. Mayer regarding Gone With the Wind

“We don’t like their sound. Groups of guitars are on the way out.” –Decca Recording Company executive, turning down the Beatles, 1962

“With over fifty foreign cars already on sale here the Japanese auto industry isn’t likely to carve out a big share of the market for itself.”–Business Week, 1968

“There is no reason for any individual to have a computer in their home.” –President of Digital Equipment Corporation, 1977

“Bill Clinton will lose to any Republican who doesn’t drool on stage.” –The Wall Street Journal, in a 1995 editorial

[Lancer]

Alliances within europe which include Poland have gone back hundreds of years. Any time Poland was in existance they had alliances in europe as is their right.

Lets not forget the Soviets secret alliance with Hitler to divide Poland, the knife in the back after Poland was engaged on the other side against the Germans, the Russian troops rolling past Polish border guards claiming they were on their way to fight Germany, the 70+ years of occupation with 10 Russian divisions keeping the Poles down. So Poland is in NATO, so I guess thats NATO influence. To say Poland is in the Russian sphere of influence I guess is true though too because Russia just influenced Poland to ask a fellow NATO member for missiles. Funny how that works isn't it?

Shockingly, they don't trust the Russians, I wonder why?

Btw Serb, did Russia not keep 20 Russian divisions in East Germany, 10 armored and 10 motorized during the cold war? Wasn't all of Germany in NATOs sphere of influence? Did Russia care then about spheres of influence? No, Russia did not, any more than we do now.

[Serb]

Originally posted by Kidicious
“Stocks have reached what looks like a permanently high plateau.” –Irving Fisher, professor of economics at Yale University, October 17, 1929

“Forget it, Louis, no Civil War picture ever made a nickel.” –Irving Thalberg’s warning to Louis B. Mayer regarding Gone With the Wind

“We don’t like their sound. Groups of guitars are on the way out.” –Decca Recording Company executive, turning down the Beatles, 1962

“With over fifty foreign cars already on sale here the Japanese auto industry isn’t likely to carve out a big share of the market for itself.”–Business Week, 1968

“There is no reason for any individual to have a computer in their home.” –President of Digital Equipment Corporation, 1977

“Bill Clinton will lose to any Republican who doesn’t drool on stage.” –The Wall Street Journal, in a 1995 editorial

And? Every rule has an exception.
These experts were such exception. They were pretty bad experts (if you ask me) and I guess were in minority.

So, thanks for these fascinating quotes, but it's not an answer to my question.

[GePap]

Originally posted by Lancer


Btw Serb, did Russia not keep 20 Russian divisions in East Germany, 10 armored and 10 motorized during the cold war? Wasn't all of Germany in NATOs sphere of influence?

Why on Earth would you say that all of Germany was in NATO's sphere of influence????

West Germany did not become part of NATO until 1955 (after Turkey and Greece), and West Germany's addition is one of the things that propmpted the very creation of the Warsaw Pact.

Germany was never in anyone's sphere of influence. A country like Germany creates spheres of influence.

[Lancer]

Because of their proximity to western europe. Also, at that time Germany couldn't influence much of anything.

[Serb]

Originally posted by Lancer
Alliances within europe which include Poland have gone back hundreds of years. Any time Poland was in existance they had alliances in europe as is their right.

Lets not forget the Soviets secret alliance with Hitler to divide Poland, the knife in the back after Poland was engaged on the other side against the Germans, the Russian troops rolling past Polish border guards claiming they were on their way to fight Germany, the 70+ years of occupation with 10 Russian divisions keeping the Poles down. So Poland is in NATO, so I guess thats NATO influence. To say Poland is in the Russian sphere of influence I guess is true though too because Russia just influenced Poland to ask a fellow NATO member for missiles. Funny how that works isn't it?

Shockingly, they don't trust the Russians, I wonder why?

Btw Serb, did Russia not keep 20 Russian divisions in East Germany, 10 armored and 10 motorized during the cold war? Wasn't all of Germany in NATOs sphere of influence? Did Russia care then about spheres of influence? No, Russia did not, any more than we do now.

Excuse me, but I don't understand what are trying to say here.

[Naked Gents Rut]

And after such brilliant example of how well your western brainwashing propaganda machine did its job to wash your brains, do you think you are smart enough to talk about how smart Russia is?

I'm Chinese.

Well, thank you very much for your valuable input, Mr. DL, but it was Georgia who attacked South Ossetia at the oppening day of the Olympics by bombarding its capital and killing Russian peacekeepers. The Russians retaliated the day after.

Russia quite obviously baited Georgia into responding by using its proxies within South Ossetia to shell Georgian targets. The whole operation was carefully planned and executed by the Russians and I'm sure the timing was no coincidence. There will definitely be hurt feelings amongst the Chinese people and government over Russia's use of our Olympics as a cover for an invasion.

[Serb]

Originally posted by Lancer


Russians bullying? Say it aint so!

Another aspect of the Russian plan is to get control of that pipeline. If they can shut a valve on it their energy hold on western europe becomes that much stronger.

Oh yeah! That's why we bombed that Georgian pipeline to pieces, right?
Wait a second, it was never even a slightly damaged. WTF?

[Lancer]

That's ok Serb, your English is alot better than my Russian. Never mind about it, it really doesn't matter.

[Kidlicious]

Originally posted by Serb
And? Every rule has an exception.
These experts were such exception. They were pretty bad experts (if you ask me) and I guess were in minority.

No not really. That's just a small list of examples of when experts are wrong. Read The Experts Speak by Christopher Cerf and Victor Navasky. It's over 300 pages of that sort of thing. Experts are regularly wrong about what they are suppose to be experts on.

[Lancer]

Originally posted by Serb

Oh yeah! That's why we bombed that Georgian pipeline to pieces, right?
Wait a second, it was never even a slightly damaged. WTF?

There's a difference between controling it and destroying it, and whether the plan was a success or a failure.

[GePap]

Originally posted by Lancer
Because of their proximity to western europe. Also, at that time Germany couldn't influence much of anything.

Germany was a defeated power split between the victors. That meant that East Germany was clearly part of the Soviet sphere of influence, something the West had clearly accepted by agreeing to a joint occupation of Germany along with Soviet troops. Generally speaking, loosing a war and having your capital conquered puts you in the conquerers sphere on influence, in this case, spheres.

Sorry, but your claim still makes no sense.