How can we save Ukraine?

[Heraclitus]

Originally posted by chegitz guevara
I'm opposed to making the American Empire any bigger or more powerful.

NATO is weak as it is, adding the Ukraine to it would not strengthen it or the American Empire. It would keep the people of Ukraine realtivley safe for a while though.

[Heraclitus]

Anyway the American Empire is doomed, why do we need to sacrifice Ukraine to accelerate its decline?

[Ben Kenobi]

You realize that part of the reason Russia is making an example of Georgia is because NATO reneged on its promises to not induct any former Warsaw Pact members.

You would support kicking Germany out of NATO?

As for 'expanding the American empire', I didn't know that France considered themselves American now. The Ukraine has big potential, as does Poland. If Germany is in, Poland will definitely pull her weight.

[Nugog]

Re: How can we save Ukraine?

Originally posted by Heraclitus
Being less drunk today I realize Georgia is a lost cause. But how can we save Ukraine?


I propose we give them a get into NATO free card.

Send Bono to Georgia and Geldof to the Ukraine.

That'll fix it.

[chequita guevara]

Why should should we accelerate towards nuclear war because of them? If they don't attack Russia, like Georgia did, they should be fairly safe.

[chequita guevara]

btw, ben, you're on my ignore list. I just got too exasperated dealing with your stupidity.

[Lancer]

We can save them by really telling them not to get involved against Russia to try to save Georgia. Next we sign them up to NATO (did I hear they were calling an emergency meeting?) right quick. Then forward deploy armor to forstall any Russian moves. Best to get all this done before Russia has a chance to redeploy mobile forces from Georgia. Days, we should have all this done before a week passes.

[Heraclitus]

Originally posted by chegitz guevara
btw, ben, you're on my ignore list. I just got too exasperated dealing with your stupidity.

His last post was far from stupidity. Several NATO members are far from being part of the "American Empire". Not many Russian ones are not part of the "Russian Empire".

[Heraclitus]

Originally posted by chegitz guevara
Why should should we accelerate towards nuclear war because of them?

Why should we rush towards a world war for Poland?

[1939threadioff]

Nuclear war because Ukraine becomes part of NATO?
If Russia is that unstable we have much bigger problems...

Originally posted by chegitz guevara
If they don't attack Russia, like Georgia did, they should be fairly safe.

You can't honestly believe that. Half of the Ukraine is Russian in ethnicity. Russia will want that land.

[notyoueither]

Originally posted by chegitz guevara


Not good enough. The Iraqis were nice people. No one stopped us.

Aside from the fact that some very un-American, un-West boom-bah, rah-rah-rah voices had some interesting things to say in regards to getting rid of Saddam...

Your subservience to might makes right doesn't mean we shouldn't try anything that is reasonable to try.

Big country. Miserable history when it comes to rule from Moscow. It would be very unpleasant for a very large number of people. I mean unpleasant in a very messy sense.

[notyoueither]

You 'save' the Ukraine by talking to Russia as an equal.

You stop lecturing them and hectoring them.

You stop turning ground on new bases ever closer to them.

Ivan is paranoid. They don't give a **** what the plebes do in the fields around them. They care a great deal what anyone in a uniform does, especially if it could be regarded as a threat.

They don't react well to being left out of the invitations to the ball. Russia is not some piss-ant country that people hold meetings to talk about as if the retarded child can't hear them and Russia's reaction will not matter. They want to be part of the scene. They react well to being included. They react very poorly to being excluded and having their next door neighbours join associations for the defence of the neighbourhood that they are never invited to.

You save the Ukraine by not driving Russia to be an enemy, if it's not too late.

[BeBMan]

Originally posted by Heraclitus

You do know that Russia is no longer red, right? No need to make excuses for them anymore.

Some people didn't get the memo

[Propaganda]

Here's something for the Kraut...

[Propaganda]

As a Ukrainian myself, I choose only to state briefly, that Ukraine is a historical part of Russia, and is and shall be Russian territory, for the ages.

[BeBMan]

Well, feel free to join the political process of your country and work to swing majorities so that your people agree to a re-entry in the Russian fed.