How can we save Ukraine?

[Traianvs]

Originally posted by Propaganda


No! It's better to split Poland, rather than the Ukraine. The Germans can have the other half of Poland as a gesture.

Oh, right, so the Devil's pact all over again?

Wejooo godwinized in page #2 already!!

[Propaganda]

Originally posted by Saras


It depends on which bits of history you choose to ignore

[Dinner]

There is a NATO expansion summit in November and currently Albania, Macedonia, and Croatia are to have their membership bids voted on. Why not add the Ukraine to the docket?

Send a message to Russia.

[Agathon]

Having met a fair few Ukrainians, I have no problem with Russia conquering the Ukraine and enslaving all of them.

[Dinner]

Originally posted by Propaganda
As a Ukrainian myself, I choose only to state briefly, that Ukraine is a historical part of Russia, and is and shall be Russian territory, for the ages.

And that, my friends, is why the Ukraine needs help defending itself from Russia.

[Dinner]

The Ukraine's big problem which Russia wants to take advantage of:

[Propaganda]

Originally posted by Oerdin


And that, my friends, is why the Ukraine needs help defending itself from Russia.

It won't have time to defend itself. Russian infantry, and tank battalions will take over in a matter of hours.

[Zevico]

Originally posted by chegitz guevara
Joining NATO isn't opposing imperialism.

Supporting NATO, as you seem to be doing, is supporting imperialism.

Indeed.
Four legs good; two legs bad.

[Saras]

Originally posted by Propaganda


It won't have time to defend itself. Russian infantry, and tank battalions will take over in a matter of hours.

It took you several days to kick a country the size of a city block of Moscow

[Patroklos]

They don't react well to being left out of the invitations to the ball. Russia is not some piss-ant country that people hold meetings to talk about as if the retarded child can't hear them and Russia's reaction will not matter.

Russia is some piss-ant country and given the quite a number of paranoid/irrational reactions over the past decade has abundantly proven itself to be a retarded child that should be talked about.

Russia needs to accept its position in the world based on reality, not its imaginary self image. Half the reason we have the problems we do with Russia is that we let it indulge in its role playing fantacies.

Oh, and Che

[Cort Haus]

Originally posted by notyoueither
You 'save' the Ukraine by talking to Russia as an equal.

You stop lecturing them and hectoring them.

You stop turning ground on new bases ever closer to them.

Ivan is paranoid. They don't give a **** what the plebes do in the fields around them. They care a great deal what anyone in a uniform does, especially if it could be regarded as a threat.

They don't react well to being left out of the invitations to the ball. Russia is not some piss-ant country that people hold meetings to talk about as if the retarded child can't hear them and Russia's reaction will not matter. They want to be part of the scene. They react well to being included. They react very poorly to being excluded and having their next door neighbours join associations for the defence of the neighbourhood that they are never invited to.

You save the Ukraine by not driving Russia to be an enemy, if it's not too late.

[Saras]

dp

[Saras]

Russian speaking polytubbies, how would you comment this? If this is true, the "2000 civilians killed by Georgians" claim becomes very VERY shaky:

Human Rights Watch в Северной Осетии: «мы в прострации от дезинформации и пропаганды»
Правозащитная организация: данные официальных источников о количестве беженцев из Южной Осетии завышены

Full article:

http://www.svobodanews.ru/Article/2008/08/11/20080811164619560.html

[Harovan]

Originally posted by Cort Haus

Yep, nye pretty much nailed it. As for his last sentence, time is running out, I'm afraid.

[Propaganda]

Originally posted by Saras
Russian speaking polytubbies, how would you comment this? If this is true, the "2000 civilians killed by Georgians" claim becomes very VERY shaky:

Human Rights Watch в Северной Осетии: «мы в прострации от дезинформации и пропаганды»
Правозащитная организация: данные официальных источников о количестве беженцев из Южной Осетии завышены

Full article:

http://www.svobodanews.ru/Article/20...164619560.html

Ok, the article says that 24,000 refugees went to North Ossetia and 11,000 came back to South Ossetia, and that all injured are treated in a make-shift hospital in Dvazha and rerouted to Rostov and Vladikavkaz hospitals. And then it mentions reports from various people of seeing dead bodies. There is no clarification of figures of those perished, only that the representative of Human Rights Watch says there has to be more, which is not confirmed by their investigation.