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  • #61
    how about them quoting numbers of wounded civilians in hospitals not exceeding hundreds - assuming a 1:3 killed/wounded ratio, the 2000 figure looks very suspect.
    Originally posted by Serb:Please, remind me, how exactly and when exactly, Russia bullied its neighbors?
    Originally posted by Ted Striker:Go Serb !
    Originally posted by Pekka:If it was possible to capture the essentials of Sepultura in a dildo, I'd attach it to a bicycle and ride it up your azzes.

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    • #62
      Lets not assume anything just yet, and hope for the best.

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      • #63
        Originally posted by Propaganda
        Lets not assume anything just yet, and hope for the best.
        If the civilian deaths were very low, and Tskhinvali is not "Stalingrad", then Russia's case for invading becomes not so morally superior as some more romantically inclined Russian poster here believe.
        Originally posted by Serb:Please, remind me, how exactly and when exactly, Russia bullied its neighbors?
        Originally posted by Ted Striker:Go Serb !
        Originally posted by Pekka:If it was possible to capture the essentials of Sepultura in a dildo, I'd attach it to a bicycle and ride it up your azzes.

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        • #64
          Usually there are a lot more wounded then dead so if the wounded numbers are fairly low then we can reasonably expect the dead figure will also be low. The 2000 dead figure seems to have been invented by Putin's propaganda ministry.
          Try http://wordforge.net/index.php for discussion and debate.

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          • #65
            damn I'm getting confused between threads. Is this the "Russian aggression against Georgia" thead?
            Originally posted by Serb:Please, remind me, how exactly and when exactly, Russia bullied its neighbors?
            Originally posted by Ted Striker:Go Serb !
            Originally posted by Pekka:If it was possible to capture the essentials of Sepultura in a dildo, I'd attach it to a bicycle and ride it up your azzes.

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            • #66
              Originally posted by Saras


              If the civilian deaths were very low, and Tskhinvali is not "Stalingrad", then Russia's case for invading becomes not so morally superior as some more romantically inclined Russian poster here believe.
              Well, in accordance to moral perspective, Saakashvili declared a state-sponsored act of war against Russian citizens in South Ossetia, and I can't see how Georgia could not perceive it as a provoking gesture.

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              • #67
                Originally posted by Saras
                damn I'm getting confused between threads. Is this the "Russian aggression against Georgia" thead?
                No, it is a future "How do we save Ukraine?" thread, an act of preparedness.

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                • #68
                  Originally posted by notyoueither
                  You 'save' the Ukraine by talking to Russia as an equal.

                  You stop lecturing them and hectoring them.

                  You stop turning ground on new bases ever closer to them.

                  Ivan is paranoid. They don't give a **** what the plebes do in the fields around them. They care a great deal what anyone in a uniform does, especially if it could be regarded as a threat.

                  They don't react well to being left out of the invitations to the ball. Russia is not some piss-ant country that people hold meetings to talk about as if the retarded child can't hear them and Russia's reaction will not matter. They want to be part of the scene. They react well to being included. They react very poorly to being excluded and having their next door neighbours join associations for the defence of the neighbourhood that they are never invited to.

                  You save the Ukraine by not driving Russia to be an enemy, if it's not too late.
                  exactly
                  Christianity: The belief that a cosmic Jewish Zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree...

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                  • #69
                    You save the Ukraine by not driving Russia to be an enemy
                    They might well consider not acting like an enemy or a retarded child for that matter should they decide to not like being treated like that.
                    I make no bones about my moral support for [terrorist] organizations. - chegitz guevara
                    For those who aspire to live in a high cost, high tax, big government place, our nation and the world offers plenty of options. Vermont, Canada and Venezuela all offer you the opportunity to live in the socialist, big government paradise you long for. –Senator Rubio

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                    • #70
                      Originally posted by Geronimo
                      well said.
                      No, it's not. 99% of the time he's a f*cking moron who repeats the same idiotic statement even after they've been refuted. It's not that I disagree with him that put him on my ignore list, it's that he's willfully blind.

                      If I only wanted to debate with people who agreed with me, I wouldn't bother with Poly. I have no problem with disagreement. I have a problem with BK.

                      Since he piped in with a comment, I figured I'd just let him know I'm not talking to him anymore.
                      Christianity: The belief that a cosmic Jewish Zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree...

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                      • #71
                        Since we've thrown Georgia under the bus I wouldn't hold out any hopes of us drawing the line at the Ukraine.

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                        • #72
                          99% of the time he's a f*cking moron who repeats the same idiotic statement even after they've been refuted.
                          Ben is a communist?
                          "The DPRK is still in a state of war with the U.S. It's called a black out." - Che explaining why orbital nightime pictures of NK show few lights. Seriously.

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                          • #73
                            Long time member @ Apolyton
                            Civilization player since the dawn of time

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                            • #74
                              It's too late to save the Ukraine. By intervening in Georgia, Russia has clearly signalled the world that they will not stop until they've conquered all of Europe and Asia and killed every last kitten on Earth. This is clear as day people - WAKE UP! Save us, noble US military, save us all!
                              "The French caused the war [Persian Gulf war, 1991]" - Ned
                              "you people who bash Bush have no appreciation for one of the great presidents in our history." - Ned
                              "I wish I had gay sex in the boy scouts" - Dissident

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                              • #75
                                So, Kontiki, you're saying it will be like the last cold war?
                                Long time member @ Apolyton
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