The Barack HUSSEIN Obama Death List

[Imran Siddiqui]

Originally posted by rah
Especially with a democratic controlled congress.

I think that's the key. If we are certain the Democrats will hold Congress (and I believe they will), then the way to curb all these wild spending and excesses is to elect a Republican President. McCain being a decent one to work across the aisle with at least (though the Dems in Congress have to have more of a spine).

[Blaupanzer]

Rah, the last two times the budget was balanced, it was done by a Democratic President with a Democratic Congress. These were Pres Clinton in 1993 and Pres Johnson in 1968. I will admit we went on to run a surplus with Clinton as Pres and the Repubs in charge of Congress, but the Demo Pres was key. Neither Reagan or Bush 2 ever submitted a balanced budget to Congress, let alone got one passed.

Democrats have the rep as "tax and spend;" the repubs deserve the rep as "borrow and spend." At least the Demos CAN balance a budget. At least the Demos know wars aren't free. Just because McCain is as stubborn as Bush ("No new taxes"), that doesn't mean he will magically be able to pay for the expanding government both parties now advocate.

[rah]

While i have to agree a touch with you, you have to admit that times were rolling really good in the late 60's and early 90's and I think that had more to do with it than who was in the white house. I doubt even Clinton could have done the same after 9/11.

[Dinner]

Originally posted by rah
If he wasn't so far out left, I'd probably be voting for him.

Far out left? You need to cut your talk radio intake level down. The guy is not even close to far left and is pretty much a left of center guy like Clinton. I mean even his health care plan is market based instead of single payer. For someone to qualify as "far left" they'd have to be calling for nationalizations or something.

I'm hardly Obama's biggest supporter but even I recognize a smear with no basis in reality when I see it. Every campaign the right wing pundits use the same smear "He's just so far out left!" no matter what the reality is. It's a sad tired old song.

[Dinner]

Originally posted by rah
Which disasterous policies?
I benefited from some of them.
Why do you think it's going to be a continuation?

McCain is a very vocal supporter of continuing to borrow and spend our way to bankruptcy. He has proposed no cuts but says he wants more tax cuts. This bad policy is exactly why the dollar is fast becoming a green peso and why you might find your retirement savings aren't going to last as long as you think they are.

[Imran Siddiqui]

He has proposed no cuts

Aroo? McCain has said he wants a top to bottom evaluation of all government programs and cut those that don't perform.

[rah]

I'm 6'3" anybody 6'1" is short and under 6' you're tiny.

I'm right middle so middle is left to me. Left of middle if far left to me. Obama is too far left for me. Ok.

And everything I've read says Obamas plans will cost us more in the long run. AND as I've said, a left leaning president with a democratic congress scares the heck out of me.

And there are no guarentees that what you claim will happen. So please don't treat it as absolute truth.

[Arrian]

a left leaning president with a democratic congress scares the heck out of me.

It's got some real downside potential, I'll grant that. We've seen in with Bush & a Republican congress. Anytime a party can push through what it wants whilst ignoring the other party, things can get messy.

On the other hand, rah, it's the Dems we're talking about. They don't have nearly the cohesiveness of the Republicans. They'll probably split into factions and bicker amongst themselves. Don't worry... be happy...

-Arrian

[Imran Siddiqui]

McCain with Dems is still safer, though. If you are making a calculation that way.

[rah]

Originally posted by Arrian

On the other hand, rah, it's the Dems we're talking about. They don't have nearly the cohesiveness of the Republicans. They'll probably split into factions and bicker amongst themselves. Don't worry... be happy...

-Arrian

I keep forgetting that. Thanks, I'll rest better tonight.

[Dinner]

Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui

He has proposed no cuts

Aroo? McCain has said he wants a top to bottom evaluation of all government programs and cut those that don't perform.

OK, I hadn't heard that if true then that is good though I'd have to see exactly what he wants to cut and if they will realistically make it through Congress. I remember Reagan's game of claiming he wanted massive cuts in most social programs while suggesting billions in new defense spending. Reagan knew full well Congress wouldn't agree so it was a shell game designed to fool people. Hopefully McCain isn't so dishonest.

[Dinner]

Originally posted by rah
I'm 6'3" anybody 6'1" is short and under 6' you're tiny.

I'm right middle so middle is left to me. Left of middle if far left to me. Obama is too far left for me. Ok.

OK, just realize you're using a special scale which has no relation to the agreed upon terms most political scientists use.

[Imran Siddiqui]

As you keep telling people to go to Obama's website, you really should make it on to www.johnmccain.com

http://www.johnmccain.com/Issues/JobsforAmerica/reform.htm

Bi-partisan Fiscal Discipline: A McCain Administration will provide the leadership to achieve bipartisan spending restraint equivalent to that in the 1997 Balanced Budget Agreement between a GOP Congress and a Democratic President. In 1997, President Clinton and the GOP Congress agreed to balance the budget by restraining the growth in spending and cutting taxes over a ten-year period.

With the same bipartisan effort today, with the federal budget that is now 70 percent larger, we could keep taxes low and still balance the budget by holding overall spending growth to 2.4 percent. Unlike Congress and the Executive branch in recent years, a McCain Administration will enforce the spending restraint to balance the budget and keep it balanced.


A McCain Administration would perform a comprehensive review of all programs, projects and activities of the federal government, and then propose a plan to modernize, streamline, consolidate, reprioritize and, where needed, terminate individual programs. McCain could use the bi-partisan commission structure used for the Defense Base Realignment and Closure Commission (BRAC). Such a commission could be required to report to the President who would then submit the recommendations to the Congress for a straight up or down vote.


A McCain Administration will review all special spending provisions to end subsidies to high-income individuals and corporations

Eliminating Wasteful Spending

Stop Earmarks, Pork-Barrel Spending, And Waste: John McCain will veto every pork-laden spending bill and make their authors famous. As President, he will seek the line-item veto to reduce waste and eliminate earmarks that have led to corruption. Earmarks restrict America's ability to address genuine national priorities and interfere with fair, competitive markets.

Leadership, Courage And Choices: Reducing spending means making choices. John McCain will provide the courageous leadership necessary to control spending, including:

Eliminate broken government programs. The federal government itself admits that one in five programs do not perform.


Reform our civil service system to promote accountability and good performance in our federal workforce.


Reform procurement programs and cut wasteful spending in defense and non-defense programs.

[Dinner]

Those are some nice claims but how exactly does he propose to end ear marks? He might as well declare he will end world hunger and make peace on Earth.

All he can really do is threaten to veto legislation and then Congress will do what they have always done. Namely attach their earmarks to "must pass" legislation and force McCain to chose between getting the bill he wants or vetoing earmarks.

[rah]

Originally posted by Oerdin


OK, just realize you're using a special scale which has no relation to the agreed upon terms most political scientists use.

No, I'm saying relatively he's far left of me. I doubt anyone would be confused by that. And just for laughs, that was my major. (and my professor used to use that relative crap on my all the time, since he was way to far out left for me)