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  • Medicare is a great example. It is rife with waste due to government mandated bueaurocracy and paperwork.
    Total nonsense. Medicare is far more efficient than the private sector. Administrative costs are only about 2% of the program.
    "Beware of the man who works hard to learn something, learns it, and finds himself no wiser than before. He is full of murderous resentment of people who are ignorant without having come by their ignorance the hard way. "
    -Bokonon

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    • Originally posted by Ramo
      No. Given that he has noted his support for nuclear power in a number of speeches I've seen him give or read, took the pro-nuclear stance in the debate when his opponents were anti-nuclear (and this, BTW, is why it's not on the summary - it wasn't popular during primary season), and it most assuredly is on the web site.
      I don't actually blame Pat for not knowing The One's stance on the issue since he actually seems quite wishy washy on the subject even after the primary and seems to find the subject uncomfortable to talk about.

      Republican John McCain says he supports nuclear power. Democrat Barack Obama says it shouldn't be taken off the table. But the issue is a delicate one, and both presidential candidates have chosen their words with care.
      I make no bones about my moral support for [terrorist] organizations. - chegitz guevara
      For those who aspire to live in a high cost, high tax, big government place, our nation and the world offers plenty of options. Vermont, Canada and Venezuela all offer you the opportunity to live in the socialist, big government paradise you long for. –Senator Rubio

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      • The government's administative costs may be low, but do you have any idea what it costs hospitals and clinics to maintain compliance with all of medicare's regulations?

        To be fair, my original post wasn't specifically aimed at medicare, which is a good program and, despite it's many problems, it's the shining example of how the government can be successful in the health care business. I was thinking more of the joint commission and the mammography standards laws. What all these (including medicare) have in common is to create a burden on providers to maintain compliance. This costs money. As far as I can tell, little of what they stipulate is based on actual outcomes, just process -- they don't care if you do something safely, just as long as all the forms are correctly filled out.
        The undeserving maintain power by promoting hysteria.

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        • I don't actually blame Pat for not knowing The One's stance on the issue since he actually seems quite wishy washy on the subject even after the primary and seems to find the subject uncomfortable to talk about.


          From your article:

          Obama's position is also somewhat unusual for a Democrat: He thinks nuclear power might be a good idea.
          "Beware of the man who works hard to learn something, learns it, and finds himself no wiser than before. He is full of murderous resentment of people who are ignorant without having come by their ignorance the hard way. "
          -Bokonon

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          • Originally posted by Arrian

            You were THAT scared of John Kerry? Seriously? Knowing the outcome of re-upping Bush, you'd do it again? I'm struggling not to agree with Oerdin here.

            -Arrian
            I wasn't scared. I'll ask you two questions.
            What type of person has benefited from Bush through his tax breaks and other policies? The Well off maybe.

            Do you think Kerry would have gotten rid of those tax cuts?

            I'm well off and profited quite well. It is my belief that I wouldn't have done as well under Kerry. So I voted for what I perceived was better for ME. I assure you that I'm not the only one that votes for who they perceive will do better by them personally. It's not evil. It's the basis of democracy.

            I'm better off financially than I was before. If you guys think that makes me insane for voting my wallet, so be it.
            It's almost as if all his overconfident, absolutist assertions were spoonfed to him by a trusted website or subreddit. Sheeple
            RIP Tony Bogey & Baron O

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            • Originally posted by DirtyMartini
              The government's administative costs may be low, but do you have any idea what it costs hospitals and clinics to maintain compliance with all of medicare's regulations?

              To be fair, my original post wasn't specifically aimed at medicare, which is a good program and, despite it's many problems, it's the shining example of how the government can be successful in the health care business. I was thinking more of the joint commission and the mammography standards laws. What all these (including medicare) have in common is to create a burden on providers to maintain compliance. This costs money. As far as I can tell, little of what they stipulate is based on actual outcomes, just process -- they don't care if you do something safely, just as long as all the forms are correctly filled out.
              ...but sadly, our current alternative is private insurance, which requires a much bigger administrative staff and which seeks to avoid costs by refusing to pay for necessary treatment.

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              • I might read the rest of the article. or even this one:

                Obama has described nuclear power as "not optimal" and labeled himself "not a nuclear energy proponent."

                I make no bones about my moral support for [terrorist] organizations. - chegitz guevara
                For those who aspire to live in a high cost, high tax, big government place, our nation and the world offers plenty of options. Vermont, Canada and Venezuela all offer you the opportunity to live in the socialist, big government paradise you long for. –Senator Rubio

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                • What type of person has benefited from Bush through his tax breaks and other policies? The Well off maybe.

                  Do you think Kerry would have gotten rid of those tax cuts?
                  The standard line is to get rid of the tax cuts for only those making above $250k (some prominent Dems say $200k). That's what Obama and Clinton both said, and I'm sure Kerry had something similar in mind - no less than $200k.

                  So do you (not including your spouse) make above $200k?

                  It's also worth pointing out that the tax cuts expire in 2010, so the question almost certainly wouldn't have come up between 2004-08.
                  "Beware of the man who works hard to learn something, learns it, and finds himself no wiser than before. He is full of murderous resentment of people who are ignorant without having come by their ignorance the hard way. "
                  -Bokonon

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                  • Originally posted by Zkribbler


                    ...but sadly, our current alternative is private insurance, which requires a much bigger administrative staff and which seeks to avoid costs by refusing to pay for necessary treatment.
                    At least private insurers employ their own administrators instead of depending on providers to do it for them.

                    My fear is a system that employs the regulatory and reimbursement structure of medicare and the cost cutting mentality of the private insurers. That said, I think this country needs universal coverage, sooner rather than later. I just want it done right. Unfortunately, I'm not sure exactly what "right" is -- I don't think that something like simply expanding medicare to cover everyone would work.
                    The undeserving maintain power by promoting hysteria.

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                    • All I'll say is that I've profited over the last 8 years. AND I HAVE benefited from the tax break according to my accountant(so you don't think it's must my own personal delusion).
                      And if I remember correctly democrats were against it, and probably would have tried to changed it. (as good a guess as anything else that we'll never know for sure)

                      I have benefited More so than I believe I would have under a different president. And since I have profited greatly, maybe I made the right decision FOR ME. YA THINK.

                      That's a much better reason to vote a candidate than most others have.

                      So If you believe I'm insane, go ahead, but I doubt your reasons for voting for a specific person are any better when you come right down to it.
                      It's almost as if all his overconfident, absolutist assertions were spoonfed to him by a trusted website or subreddit. Sheeple
                      RIP Tony Bogey & Baron O

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                      • Originally posted by DirtyMartini


                        At least private insurers employ their own administrators instead of depending on providers to do it for them.
                        Check out the number of clerical staff working in your doctor's office. They're there to battle with the insurance labyrinth.

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                        • I'd be the first to admit that streamlining of the paperwork could maybe pay for basic universal coverage. I think getting the federal goverment involved would only make it twice as expensive and confusing.
                          It's almost as if all his overconfident, absolutist assertions were spoonfed to him by a trusted website or subreddit. Sheeple
                          RIP Tony Bogey & Baron O

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                          • Originally posted by rah
                            I have benefited More so than I believe I would have under a different president. And since I have profited greatly, maybe I made the right decision FOR ME. YA THINK.
                            This particular stance is an argument stopper for me. I can hardly fault someone for voting their wallet. It's those who struggle financially, yet continue to vote contrary to their financial interest who confuse me.
                            The undeserving maintain power by promoting hysteria.

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                            • That I can agree with.
                              It's almost as if all his overconfident, absolutist assertions were spoonfed to him by a trusted website or subreddit. Sheeple
                              RIP Tony Bogey & Baron O

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                              • Of course as I get even closer to retirement I'll be quite suseptable to bribes offered by democrats.
                                Free universal health care paid for by those employed. Yeah baby.
                                It's almost as if all his overconfident, absolutist assertions were spoonfed to him by a trusted website or subreddit. Sheeple
                                RIP Tony Bogey & Baron O

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