Do Any of You Gimps Still Believe in Obama?

[SlowwHand]

Feel free. He'll probably be dead before he serves a year. Either some state-side wacko or a radical from overseas will see to it.

[Ramo]

Believing in any politician is a recipe for disappointment (except, maybe, Russ Feingold). But I do think that the portion of his programme that he would be able to enact into law would be a huge improvement over McCain's status quo platform. And that "his" legislative accomplishments could very well rival LBJ's. That, BTW, is more of a reflection of the fundamentals in American politics than Obama's personal attributes. I'd say the same thing about Clinton were she the nominee.

[tinyp3nis]

Originally posted by GePap
Well, I never bought the notion that Obama was going to save us all, and bring some trancendental politics of "change" that would heal everything (I think my support of HRC was relatively clear here). This thread in and of itself if proof of why that is a completely pipe dream.

That said, he is a decidedly superior choice to McCain in the coming election, and I will certainly vote Obama.

Votenader.org instead. Oh wait, he is irrelevant, spoiler, old and doesn't suck corporate dick. And he is not gonna win anyway, but Obama needs your vote to win...

[SlowwHand]

Originally posted by Ramo
Believing in any politician is a recipe for disappointment (except, maybe, Russ Feingold). But I do think that the portion of his programme that he would be able to enact into law would be a huge improvement over McCain's status quo platform. And that "his" legislative accomplishments could very well rival LBJ's. That, BTW, is more of a reflection of the fundamentals in American politics than Obama's personal attributes. I'd say the same thing about Clinton were she the nominee.

Rival LBJ? I'm a Texan and I think that's setting the bar pretty low. LBJ was mostly concerned over "OMFG, I'm president".

[Ramo]

Rival LBJ? I'm a Texan and I think that's setting the bar pretty low. LBJ was mostly concerned over "OMFG, I'm president".

I'm a Texan too. And I think that it's fitting that Stillpresident Connecticut Yankee doesn't begin to compare with a Hill Country product.

[tinyp3nis]

Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui


He's best known for leading the fight against a coming catastrophe, becoming one of the biggest voices against global warming. OBVIOUSLY what was said during the 70s didn't resonate with the American people, so someone had to bring it back up again and now we may actually get some change. If not, we need people to bring it up again and again and again and again and again until the morons in this country wisen up and realize what they are doing.

What else? What about pushing through the High Performance Computing and Communication Act of 1991?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High_Performance_Computing_and_Communication_Act_of_1991

which led to the creation of the National Research and Education Network and actually was instrumental in the creation of Mosaic (the money for it came from the bill).

Those two in itself are far more than the Idiot in Chief accomplished before becoming elected President. Since being elected, Monkey in Charge has shown that anyone who is halfway intelligent (and that includes Al Gore, who is that and more) could have done a better job.

American people and their attitude don't mean much honestly, the corporations and goverment are the ones that can do something about it. Have you seen how automobiles as a whole stack up against industry pollution for example?

[Imran Siddiqui]

The American people tend to put pressure on corporations or government. Such as people going nuts for hybrid cars leads to corporations making more of them.

[Dinner]

This thread needs more cheese puns.

[SlowwHand]

Yeah. I'm going to listen to someone with a teddy bear avatar.

[Victor Galis]

Originally posted by SlowwHand

Gore was too busy inventing the internet and coming up with profound revelations, like we need to take care of the environment. Christ. We knew that in the 70's.
Victor, you are such an easy mark. That's good for the Gores of the world.

No, if I were an easy mark, I'd have supported Bush. I'm not saying Gore is a wonderful person, I'm saying he'd have been better than Bush.

Will you come little further and admit he might have done Iraq?

Why would he have? There was no reason for it. Without the pressure from above to find WMD in Iraq the intel would have never called for it, there's no personal grudge, no link to Al Qaeda, etc. Where's the he'd have done Iraq logic

No, I'm not done yet. Damned Gore sits on his ****ing hands for a 2 decades, doing not a damned thing.

You realize that if Bush had done nothing during his presidency, the US would be in better shape right now? Granted New Orleans would still be screwed, but it's like that in the Status Quo. An actual lame duck would have made a better President than Bush; heck, even a dead duck.

I hope to **** you don't vote over here. You probably can. Sign up as a dead person in Florida. They'll count it twice.

I could, but my vote wouldn't count in any state I can reasonably register in. I'd probably put in a write in vote for Bloomberg or something even if I did vote.

Now he is best known for regurgitating things said in the 70's. Are you caught up yet?

Except people are actually paying attention to him, where they didn't pay attention before. There's some value in that. What good is being right if no one listens to you? It's better to be kinda right and off on the details and build public support for the cause than to be totally right and completely ignored.

Nixon

He was also better than Bush Jr.

[Victor Galis]

Originally posted by tinyp3nis


Marketing puts more pressure on consumers than Gore can. I wouldn't mind if you have some data about the hybrids.
Cars emit a good chunk of carbon dioxide, but the key is industry, energy production, mass transit etc. Producing new cars makes ****loads of waste btw.
Planned obsolence

This is because the environmentalists still haven't figured out that trying to guild companies into polluting less or making the government force them is less effective than trying to shift consumer tastes.

[tinyp3nis]

Originally posted by Victor Galis


This is because the environmentalists still haven't figured out that trying to guild companies into polluting less or making the government force them is less effective than trying to shift consumer tastes.

Too much faith needed to think that feel good consumer taste can have much effective influence on the things that I said.

[Heraclitus]

Originally posted by Kidicious
I'm really starting to really hate him. His speech in Berlin was total BS.

QFT


Although I've been saying from the start that Obama is nothing but the fulfillment of the magic negro archetype slowly morphed into the messiah.

Messia is a actually a good word for him, since he is anointed by the holy oil of media idol worship.



If I was a USAian I would vote for McCain and hope that 4 more years of right wing nuttiness would cause a backlash from the US public and would lead to the election of a real left wing politician.

[Victor Galis]

Originally posted by tinyp3nis


Too much faith needed to think that feel good consumer taste can have much effective influence on the things that I said.

Taste can be influenced, that's what companies do with ads. Environmental groups would be much better off trying to play the advertising game than some of the other stuff they've tried.

[Heraclitus]

Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui

We may want to ask Hillary Clinton that. True, Obama had his subordinates do most of it, but that doesn't excuse him.

Very true, if McCain will pose a serious threat we can expect as much mud slinged at him as was at Hillary. Actually no, we can't.

That mass public outcry of misogyny will remain unbeatable for at least a few decades.