Do Any of You Gimps Still Believe in Obama?

[Kuciwalker]

Have you read the New York Times recently? Like, in the last several months, at least?

[tinyp3nis]

Originally posted by Victor Galis


Taste can be influenced, that's what companies do with ads. Environmental groups would be much better off trying to play the advertising game than some of the other stuff they've tried.

They don't have that kind of money, they are not offering products with their "ads" either, not the same effectiveness of an actual advertisement about something a person can buy, also why I am talking about environmentalists, they are largely irrelevant compared to the big guys who can actually do something.

[Heraclitus]

Originally posted by Barnabas
I think Obama should win, mainly because losing will teach republicans to never again pick someone like Bush junior.
And because he is black, many will will be happy with having a black president, and the "when will America have a black president ?" thing will die.

Good point, and since none of the other minorities have the positioning in pop culture, a old male Caucasian president will become a certainty.

Well, that still leaves women but since Hillary has now shown the US public will never except any women that does not bake cookies, this will remain a non-issue for the next 30 years.

[Heraclitus]

Originally posted by Kuciwalker
Have you read the New York Times recently? Like, in the last several months, at least?

I hope this will not spiral into that cover thing, I mean Gawd damn it, how can anyone think that was anything but (bad) satire?

[Heraclitus]

Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
The American people tend to put pressure on corporations or government. Such as people going nuts for hybrid cars leads to corporations making more of them.

People only want hybrid cars if the media tells them to want hybrid cars. conspire

[Joseph]

Originally posted by Zkribbler


Don't get excited. Calvin Cooledge was famously pictured wearing a headress of eagle feathers. It didn't make him an India--er--Native American.

Bush was pictured in a flight suit. It didn't make him an Air Force pilot.

Sorry Bush was an Texas Air National Guard Pilot, AKA U S Air Force Pilot. He flew F-102s. Granded he did not fly that much because he was grounded for missing to many training flights. However don't lie about the man. I would not vote for him, but will lie about him.

[TheStinger]

Originally posted by Joseph
Sorry Bush was an Texas Air National Guard Pilot, AKA U S Air Force Pilot. He flew F-102s. Granded he did not fly that much because he was grounded for missing to many training flights. However don't lie about the man. I wound not vote for him, but will lie about him.

He flew some planes to avoid getting shot at in Vietnam, that does not make him an "air force pilot"

That would seem to be an insult to any real airforce pilots, i.e. the ones who might be prepared when it comes to it to go into combat

[Joseph]

Originally posted by Rufus T. Firefly


and a president who starts a $10-billion-dollar a month war based on faulty intelligence that drags on for five years and accomplishes none of the goals

You are wrong, Bust had all of the intelligence he needed. Saddam try to kill DAD, and he had to pay for that. Of course 4,000 young Man and Ladys paid with their lives so Bush could get revenge, and that is bullsh!t.

[Agathon]

Originally posted by SlowwHand

Now he is best known for regurgitating things said in the 70's. Are you caught up yet?

Are you crazy? The things said in the seventies were said by, among others, Al Gore. He has been the most effective and prominent US politician on environmental issues in the last 30 years.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al_Gore_and_the_environment

Gore was also one of the earliest politicians to see the potential of IT. So he spoke about it and promoted it and authored legislation to promote it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al_Gore_and_information_technology

That's what politicians are supposed to do. That's their ****ing job fer Chrissakes...

Gore is smart. Try reading one of his books. Earth in the Balance was the first bestselling book by a senator since Kennedy's book, and Gore actually wrote his own book. More to the point, it isn't a self-aggrandizing book like Obama's books or some of the other ridiculous campaign books, but it is a serious work about an issue that Gore thinks is important.

Again, raising public awareness about important issues and building voting support for them is what democratic politicians are supposed to do.

[Agathon]

Originally posted by Oerdin

They all do that. There are numerous pictures of Bush doing the same thing. For the last 30 years it has been traditional for US politicians to put those on in order to appeal to Jewish voters back in the states.

And by that you mean "demonstrate absolute subservience to the Ziontologists".

No wonder anti-semitic conspiracy theories have such currency in the US, given that your government spends most of its time being Israel's catamite.

[Rufus T. Firefly]

Originally posted by Agathon

No wonder anti-semitic conspiracy theories have such currency in the US, given that your government spends most of its time being Israel's catamite.

I don't think it's that, exactly. It's that there are certain postures that all candidates have to adopt vis-a-vis certain countries, or the hue and cry from the opposition will drown out everything else. Supporting Israel (because if you don't you're supporting the evil terrorists who hate us) is one example; supporting the Cuba embargo (the single most spectacular foreign policy failure evert) is another, though that may change as the Cold War becomes a more distant memory. Next up: demonizing Iran no matter what, followed by speaking no ill of the f*cking, f*cking, F*CKING House of Saud.

That's American politics as usual, and it's disspiriting to say the least. Me, I'm torn between feeling deflated by Obama's pandering and being encouraged by the fact that he really does knwo what it takes to win the White House -- but then, I'd vote for pretty much anyone who stood a chance of sending the GOP into the political wilderness for a while.

[MOBIUS]

Originally posted by SlowwHand
Feel free. He'll probably be dead before he serves a year. ...some state-side wacko...will see to it.

OMG, Slowwie's gonna off Obama!!!

Stay clear of Texas, Barack!

[BeBMan]

hmhmh

[BeBMan]

Originally posted by Darius871


Yeah, but that's just their usual penchant for silver-tongued deceivers:

[Agathon]

Originally posted by Rufus T. Firefly


I don't think it's that, exactly. It's that there are certain postures that all candidates have to adopt vis-a-vis certain countries, or the hue and cry from the opposition will drown out everything else. Supporting Israel (because if you don't you're supporting the evil terrorists who hate us) is one example; supporting the Cuba embargo (the single most spectacular foreign policy failure evert) is another, though that may change as the Cold War becomes a more distant memory. Next up: demonizing Iran no matter what, followed by speaking no ill of the f*cking, f*cking, F*CKING House of Saud.

That's American politics as usual, and it's disspiriting to say the least. Me, I'm torn between feeling deflated by Obama's pandering and being encouraged by the fact that he really does knwo what it takes to win the White House -- but then, I'd vote for pretty much anyone who stood a chance of sending the GOP into the political wilderness for a while.

You do realize this is not normal. I don't doubt that many US politicians have a realistic attitude towards Israel, but the hue and cry is largely bought and paid for by lobby groups like AIPAC. It's not as if AIPAC and company represent the views of most Americans or even to be frank most Jewish Americans (who are still liberals).

To most of the world's citizens, US political subservience to Israel is nothing short of comical.