Obama claims proud family history of service in the Soviet Army

[Apocalypse]

Originally posted by Asher


This was so long ago it doesn't matter anymore. The fact is it's mid 2008 and you guys are still weaking eachother. McCain can only get stronger here, and you guys are ****ing it all up.

Actually Rush still attacks McCain all the time.

[David Floyd]

Technically, I am. http://election.dos.state.fl.us/can...p?account=46286

Point conceded

Good luck with that, btw.

It's individual health care.

That we are forced to buy. Yes, yes, so it isn't the same as the health care systems in Canada and Western Europe. Good thing, too, since those systems drive down the quality of health care. Obama's system is still of the far left, coercive school of thought that says the government knows what's best and is a much better steward of my money than I am. Actually, that reminds me of Reagan's famous quote: "The nine scariest words in the English language are 'I'm from the government and I'm here to help' ". True statement, that.

I don't consider what politicians say important. Bush would have been a great president by that standard. Obama is running to be the representative of the American ruling class. He will do what he is told, which is why no matter who's in office, we have remarkably similar foreign policies.

If you don't think that what politicians say is very important, and apparently attach no value to it, why do you care if politicians lie?

It's honestly impossible to say. I think it rather unlikely, though, given the turd Bush plans on leaving by attacking Iran before he leaves office.

First of all, good. We should have attack Iran in the first place. Secondly, you're probably the only person in America who doesn't think that military budgets in an Obama Administration would wind up being considerably lower than they would in a Bush Administration. I mean, seriously. As to your argument that he is going to be in power for the ruling class, wouldn't the same argument apply to Bill Clinton? And if so, why are military budgets so much higher now than then? My only point is that even though, in your opinion, he's going to be in power for the ruling class, just like everyone other President, that doesn't mean that his military spending will be the same.

[BeBMan]

Gov spending

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by David Floyd
Point conceded

Good luck with that, btw.

Thanks.

That we are forced to buy.

Would you claim we have universal auto care?

Yes, yes, so it isn't the same as the health care systems in Canada and Western Europe. Good thing, too, since those systems drive down the quality of health care.

Only theoretically. Those counties all have better health overall and longer lifespans. Very few people would trade their health care system for our own.

Obama's system is still of the far left, coercive school of thought that says the government knows what's best and is a much better steward of my money than I am.

No. The only reason it's finally getting the debate it deserves is because the American health care system has become so insanely expensive it is crippling the economy. The politicians corporate masters need to unload their health care burden in order to stay competitive against foreign capitalisms.

Actually, that reminds me of Reagan's famous quote: "The nine scariest words in the English language are 'I'm from the government and I'm here to help' ". True statement, that.

Yeah, us hurricane victims certainly were frightened when FEMA and the U.S. military showed up with water, ice, and food after Katrina, Rita, and Wilma.

If you don't think that what politicians say is very important, and apparently attach no value to it, why do you care if politicians lie?

Just because I expect to be lied to doesn't mean I have to take it.

First of all, good. We should have attack Iran in the first place.

Some libertarian you are.

Secondly, you're probably the only person in America who doesn't think that military budgets in an Obama Administration would wind up being considerably lower than they would in a Bush Administration. I mean, seriously. As to your argument that he is going to be in power for the ruling class, wouldn't the same argument apply to Bill Clinton? And if so, why are military budgets so much higher now than then? My only point is that even though, in your opinion, he's going to be in power for the ruling class, just like everyone other President, that doesn't mean that his military spending will be the same.

We are at war. Two of them, actually. You can't fight a war without increasing the budget. Also keep in mind that the Federal government as a whole has massively expanded under Bush, not just the military.

[Heraclitus]

Originally posted by BeBro
Gov spending

[Asher]

Originally posted by David Floyd
Yes, but he wants to begin immediately, regardless of the situation on the ground. Only a moron would think we could withdraw 100,000+ troops and their equipment from Iraq in one month. It isn't physically possible.

It is certainly physically possible.

It's not that hard. Drive the tanks to neighboring friendly countries for temporary storage until the logistics become ready.

[rah]

Why do they have to be friendly countries, just drive them straight into Iran and save time and money.

[Wezil]

Originally posted by Apocalypse

Actually Rush still attacks McCain all the time.

I was subjected to US radio yesterday. I had a choice between Limbaugh or Al Sharpton(!!). I chose silence instead.

[David Floyd]

chegitz,

Would you claim we have universal auto care?

No, because auto insurance isn't actually a requirement, as long as you can prove financial resources. Also, the point of auto insurance is to make sure that if I crash into someone else's car, then I can be responsible for the damage.

Only theoretically. Those counties all have better health overall and longer lifespans. Very few people would trade their health care system for our own.

From a GP standpoint, perhaps. What I'm referring to is specialized medicine. If you need extensive surgery, or a transplant operation, or major rehabilitation therapy, you come to the US if you can afford it. Hell, why do you think so many rich foreigners come to the Mayo Clinic, for example?

No. The only reason it's finally getting the debate it deserves is because the American health care system has become so insanely expensive it is crippling the economy. The politicians corporate masters need to unload their health care burden in order to stay competitive against foreign capitalisms.

That's funny, I'm doing fine. I have a health care plan, that is offered by my company, which I am responsible for paying into. I'm sorry that some people are unemployed, or don't work for a company that offers a solid healthcare package, but that shouldn't mean that I have to pay more money out of pocket for a system that won't provide me with any tangible benefit over and above what I already receive.

Yeah, us hurricane victims certainly were frightened when FEMA and the U.S. military showed up with water, ice, and food after Katrina, Rita, and Wilma.

So your point is that the federal, state, and local government's responses to those disasters - especially Katrina - are a point IN FAVOR of the government?

Just because I expect to be lied to doesn't mean I have to take it.

Fair enough. To the point, though, if Obama is campaigning on the premise that he is going to withdraw from Iraq, then that campaign promise is fair game to use to attack Obama's policies.

Some libertarian you are.

Because I'm in favor of bombing the **** out of a country that sponsors terror? The Libertarian Party sanctioned the war in Afghanistan, FYI.

We are at war. Two of them, actually. You can't fight a war without increasing the budget. Also keep in mind that the Federal government as a whole has massively expanded under Bush, not just the military.

Yes, but look at the military budgets PRIOR TO the war. Still higher than those of Clinton.

Asher,

It is certainly physically possible.

It's not that hard. Drive the tanks to neighboring friendly countries for temporary storage until the logistics become ready.

That's not sane military policy. I'm also not going to try to explain to you why it isn't, because you're not going to accept the answer.

[Imran Siddiqui]

No, because auto insurance isn't actually a requirement, as long as you can prove financial resources.

What about the whole fine and take your license away if you don't have it?

[Asher]

That's not sane military policy.

Neither is Iraq.

I'm also not going to try to explain to you why it isn't, because you're not going to accept the answer.

I don't take bull****, no.

[David Floyd]

What about the whole fine and take your license away if you don't have it?

Read the entire line. You have to prove financial responsibility. That doesn't just mean insurance. If you are a millionaire, you can opt out of auto insurance, because you have the financial resources to handle it if you **** up someone else's car.

[David Floyd]

OK, Asher

[DaShi]

Originally posted by DinoDoc
You fail at the internet, history, and life. But if you must talk about people other than Obama, please at least limit it to the people running.

Like McCain and the difference between Shiites and Sunnis?

[Apocalypse]

Originally posted by David Floyd


Read the entire line. You have to prove financial responsibility. That doesn't just mean insurance. If you are a millionaire, you can opt out of auto insurance, because you have the financial resources to handle it if you **** up someone else's car.

As Wiglaf proved, all you really need is a credit card.