Obama claims proud family history of service in the Soviet Army

[David Floyd]

For all of your fear mongering about him being an insanely left-wing politician, he's decidedly mild.

Perhaps by international standard but decidedly not by US standards.

[Asher]

Originally posted by rah
Those points are not the differenciation between being left and being insanely left. Both groups will agree on these.

But AFAIK Obama doesn't agree on any of them...which is the point.

[rah]

Yeah, uncle vs great uncle didn't bother me either, but the rest was a stretch.

[Asher]

Originally posted by David Floyd


Perhaps by international standard but decidedly not by US standards.

What makes him so very left wing?

[David Floyd]

Asher, actually to some degree Obama agrees with all of them.

Does Obama support gay marriage? - No US politician "supports" gay marriage.
Does Obama support universal healthcare? - Ummm, yes. That's part of his platform.
Does Obama support immediate withdrawl from Iraq? - Ummm, yes. That's part of his platform (although just because he might slowly be realizing that isn't possible doesn't mean that isn't the line he spouted for months).
Does Obama support demilitarization and using the money to fund health care / education domestically? - In a sense, yes. All of his social proposals he has given us would cost over a trillion dollars - the money has to come from somewhere, and he obviously isn't too keen on military spending. Part of the funding for his programs WOULD come from military cutbacks, and the rest from squeezing the rich and middle class.

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by Elok
It does make Obama look a little silly that he's got inaccurate memories of his own family history.

Who's to say it was Obama's memory that was inaccurate. As was pointed out, family stories have a way of changing over the years. They are also different when told to us as children as when told to us as adults.

[David Floyd]

Asher - his voting record and the policies he supports make him so left wing.

[David Floyd]

Who's to say it was Obama's memory that was inaccurate. As was pointed out, family stories have a way of changing over the years. They are also different when told to us as children as when told to us as adults.

Which just proves that he doesn't have a decent grasp on recent US history. If my family told me that my American grandfather's unit liberated Auschwitz, while I would be too polite to call bull**** to my grandmother's face, I certainly wouldn't go around telling people that bull****.

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by David Floyd
Does Obama support gay marriage? - No US politician "supports" gay marriage.

I do.

Does Obama support universal healthcare? - Ummm, yes. That's part of his platform.

No, he supports forcing everyone to buy healthcare.

Does Obama support immediate withdrawl from Iraq? - Ummm, yes. That's part of his platform (although just because he might slowly be realizing that isn't possible doesn't mean that isn't the line he spouted for months).

No, he supports beginning a withdrawal, at least in public. When in office, he will do a Woodrow Wilson or Lyndon Johnson and turn around and escalate.

Does Obama support demilitarization and using the money to fund health care / education domestically? - In a sense, yes. All of his social proposals he has given us would cost over a trillion dollars - the money has to come from somewhere, and he obviously isn't too keen on military spending. Part of the funding for his programs WOULD come from military cutbacks, and the rest from squeezing the rich and middle class.

No, Obama supports enforcing the American Empire.

[Asher]

Originally posted by David Floyd
Asher, actually to some degree Obama agrees with all of them.

Does Obama support gay marriage? - No US politician "supports" gay marriage.

A true leftie supports equal rights to marriage.

Does Obama support universal healthcare? - Ummm, yes. That's part of his platform.

So he will abolish HMOs? Or is he just going to basically expand medicare to cover everyone.

Does Obama support immediate withdrawl from Iraq? - Ummm, yes. That's part of his platform

You're a liar, everywhere I've read indicates he's got a plan over 16+ months to withdraw. This is not immediate.

Does Obama support demilitarization and using the money to fund health care / education domestically? - In a sense, yes.

In an incorrect sense, maybe, but not in the real world.

Asher - his voting record and the policies he supports make him so left wing.

I'm asking for details, twit. Stop pretending like I'm a republican and give me some truths and not rhetoric and spin.

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by David Floyd
Asher - his voting record and the policies he supports make him so left wing.

Like supporting that horrible bankruptcy bill paid for by the corporations? Oh, how left wing. Goind around with Lieberman as his mentor, yeah, he's a raging commie!

[David Floyd]

chegitz,

I do.

Me too. Too bad neither of us are politicians.

No, he supports forcing everyone to buy healthcare.

I fail to see the difference

No, he supports beginning a withdrawal, at least in public. When in office, he will do a Woodrow Wilson or Lyndon Johnson and turn around and escalate.

Well, since I'm not psychic, as you apparently are, I can't speak to his true intentions, only what the man SAYS he is going to do.

No, Obama supports enforcing the American Empire.

So you don't think Obama's first military budget would include less spending than the current military budget?

[David Floyd]

Asher,

A true leftie supports equal rights to marriage.

Interational speaking, yes, in the US, no. Since I support gay marriage, a truer statement is that "those who support freedom support gay marriage".

So he will abolish HMOs? Or is he just going to basically expand medicare to cover everyone.

In the context of US politics, what Obama wants is Universal Health Care.

You're a liar, everywhere I've read indicates he's got a plan over 16+ months to withdraw. This is not immediate.

Yes, but he wants to begin immediately, regardless of the situation on the ground. Only a moron would think we could withdraw 100,000+ troops and their equipment from Iraq in one month. It isn't physically possible.

I'm asking for details, twit. Stop pretending like I'm a republican and give me some truths and not rhetoric and spin.

**** you too on the ad hominems, but in any case, here is the basis for my "Most Liberal Senator" comment:

http://nj.nationaljournal.com/voteratings/

[BeBMan]

I found proof that he himself was in the Red Army:

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by David Floyd
chegitz,

Me too. Too bad neither of us are politicians.

Technically, I am. http://election.dos.state.fl.us/cand...?account=46286

I fail to see the difference

It's individual health care.

Well, since I'm not psychic, as you apparently are, I can't speak to his true intentions, only what the man SAYS he is going to do.

I don't consider what politicians say important. Bush would have been a great president by that standard. Obama is running to be the representative of the American ruling class. He will do what he is told, which is why no matter who's in office, we have remarkably similar foreign policies.

So you don't think Obama's first military budget would include less spending than the current military budget?

It's honestly impossible to say. I think it rather unlikely, though, given the turd Bush plans on leaving by attacking Iran before he leaves office.