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    "I had an uncle who was one of the, um, who was part of the first American troops to go into Auschwitz and liberate the concentration camps. And the story in our family is that when he came home he just went up in the attic and he didn't leave the house for six months."
    --Barack Obama, Memorial Day speech, Las Cruces, NM.

    In an attempt to burnish his credentials with America's veterans, Barack Obama has frequently talked about his grandfather "who served in Patton's army." He has now added a new episode to his World War II repertoire: the uncle who liberated Auschwitz. Unfortunately, the story shows that the presumptive Democratic nominee has a poor grasp of European history and geography.

    The Facts
    UPDATED TUESDAY 5:30 P.M.

    Auschwitz is located in southern Poland, near the city of Krakow. It was liberated by the Red Army on January 27, 1945. At the time, U.S. armies were still on the western borders of Germany, a thousand miles away, regrouping after the Battle of the Bulge. The Americans had not even crossed the Rhine at this point.

    The Obama campaign now says that Obama was referring to his great-uncle on his mother's side, and the camp in question was not Auschwitz, but Ohrdruf, which was part of the Buchenwald camp system in Lower Saxony. Ohrdruf was the first camp to be liberated by the Americans on April 4, 1945, and it was visited a week later by Generals Eisenhower, Patton, and Bradley. Eisenhower later wrote to his wife that he "never dreamed that such cruelty, bestiality and savagery could really exist in this world."

    The campaign declined to release the name of Obama's great-uncle, apparently because he is an elderly man who does not want to be disturbed by reporters. Obama spokesman Tommy Vietor said that he served in the 89th Infantry Division which crossed the Rhine river in March 1945.

    UPDATE TUESDAY 6 P.M.

    The attempt to shield the name of the Obama relative who took part in the liberation of Ohrdruf lasted about an hour. According to the Associated Press, it is Charlie Payne, the brother of Obama's maternal grandmother, Madelyn Lee Payne.

    Obama's Auschwitz claim, made during a Memorial Day appearance in New Mexico, was first reported in blog postings by Washington Post reporter Karl Vick and by CBS News. Neither report provided a direct quote, raising the possibility that Obama might have been misquoted. I asked Vick to go back and check his recording of the event.

    The above quote is taken from a verbatim transcript. Prior to talking about Auschwitz, Obama mentioned his grandfather (the one in Patton's army), recalling that he did not like talking about the war. This led into a riff on Post Traumatic Stress Disorder, a term that Obama said was unknown during World War II and the Vietnam War. "People basically had to handle it on their own." He gave the example of his uncle who hid away in the attic after liberating Auschwitz.

    Granted, it is getting late in the campaign. The candidates are tired, and prone to making silly mistakes. Many Americans might have problems distinguishing Buchenwald and Ohrdruf from Auschwitz. But should we not expect more from a Harvard-educated presidential candidate? Is it too much to ask that an aspiring commander-in-chief knows (1) that Auschwitz (like many of the other Nazi death camps) is in Poland, and (2) that the eastern advance of the U.S. Army in World War II stopped on the river Elbe? Let me know what you think.

    The Pinocchio Test
    Before hearing from the Obama campaign, I gave the candidate four Pinocchios for this howler. I am subtracting one Pinocchio in view of the explanation that Obama confused the two concentration camps and that the underlying story was accurate. Three Pinocchios for "significant factual errors."

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    Silly Obama.
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    • #3
      I am Macedonia.

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      • #4
        Oh no!!! Obama is human and he mispoke!
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        • #5
          He was trying to score political points, based on something he didn't even do, and got caught not knowing what the **** he was talking about.
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          • #6
            Originally posted by MrFun
            Oh no!!! Obama is human and he mispoke!
            What bothers me about this statement is not that Obama calls his great-uncle "uncle" (I do that myself), or that he doesn't personally know that Uncle Ralph could not have liberated Auschwitz, since the Russians did that (although it definitely shows that, in his many world travels, he's never visited Auschwitz, or probably any other concentration camp memorial), but rather:

            1) he doesn't think facts important enough to have a staff member check his old family stories before sharing them

            and, more importantly

            2) the point of his telling the story was not that his uncle was a hero, but rather a victim, spending several months holed up in an attic, upon his return from the war.
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            • #7
              yeah, well Bush started an illegal war...

              To put things in perspective.
              "Ceterum censeo Ben esse expellendum."

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              • #8
                You fail at the internet, history, and life. But if you must talk about people other than Obama, please at least limit it to the people running.
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                • #9
                  His uncle was one of the first into Buchenwald. Is this really worth arguing about?
                  Stop Quoting Ben

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                  • #10
                    If Bush said that his father was once head of the FBI, when he was really head of the CIA, don't you think the left would be (rightly) slinging ridicule his way?
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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Bosh
                      His uncle was one of the first into Buchenwald. Is this really worth arguing about?
                      Obama has an uncle?
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                      • #12
                        If Bush said that his father was once head of the FBI, when he was really head of the CIA, don't you think the left would be (rightly) slinging ridicule his way?

                        Are you honestly saying that the difference between the CIA and the FBI is as significant in the context of what kind of information is important to an American President as the difference between Buchenwald and Auschwitz?

                        Family stories have a tendency to mutate and become exaggerated in certain ways over time. Younger generations frequently take these exaggerations for granted. That's just the way human society works.

                        That the right desperately latches onto this nonsense shows how badly they're going to be stomped in November.
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                        • #13
                          this whole thing was created because obama was too embarrassed to check the facts with his mom
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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by DinoDoc
                            1) he doesn't think facts important enough to have a staff member check his old family stories before sharing them

                            and, more importantly

                            2) the point of his telling the story was not that his uncle was a hero, but rather a victim, spending several months holed up in an attic, upon his return from the war.
                            Point 2 is shameful and hypocritical. It attacks Obama for supposedly demeaning the service of his Uncle by mentioning the effects the experience had, yet it is the argument itself which demeans the service of all veterans who have suffered from PTSS.

                            Acknowledging the sacrifices that veterans have made doesn't just end on the battlefield. There are costs that come with facing such horrors that can persist for the rest of their lives, and pretending those costs don't exist, or can't be mentioned, is to demean their sacrifice.

                            Besides, if you think that Obama wasn't referencing the heroic actions of his Uncle, then you're basically saying that it wasn't heroic for his Uncle to be there, liberating the concentration camp. Because Obama clearly referenced that act. WTF do you think heroism is?

                            For an article whose entire premise is that Obama is bringing up the service of his family members "to burnish his credentials with America's veterans"... which is a fair point... to pretend like Obama's point isn't to acknowledge the heroism of said family members is completely ignorant. It's self-pwnage on the part of the author of this piece.

                            (Point 1 is for idiots. I am Macedonia.)

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                            • #15
                              anyone know a politican who does not mis-speak ?

                              how abouty HRC comment om the JFK Jr Assassination ?
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