This is a preversion of every natural law

[Imran Siddiqui]

Lighten up Francis

[Whoha]

Originally posted by Omni Rex Draconis
And to to Whoha and Tuberski who think the father had any sort of say in this matter - may you continue to live your happy and sheltered lives. A brief search will reveal the extent of this problem, and my personal anecdotes are consistently outrageous.

I said if he hadn't been married then he wouldn't have been as brutally clobbered. And further, there are areas with judges that aren't total wastes of space like this one.

[Wezil]

I can't believe a prevert picture hasn't been posted yet.

[The Mad Viking]

Courts remain very mother-sided when it comes to custody and support payments. Although a good lawyer coupled with an agressive father/ex-husband makes a huge difference in what is achieved.

The meek will inherit the earth, as well as a very bad separation agreement.

[aneeshm]

Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui

Indeed. Before you start thinking about filing lawsuits left and right based on these stats, perhaps waiting for one that asks men the same questions should come first .

Only a woman knows who the real father of a child is, and thus her lying is far more serious than a man lying, which is pretty inconsequential by comparison.

[Imran Siddiqui]

Oh please... lying about cheating is just as bad no matter who does it.

And no, sometimes the woman doesn't know who the real father is (if she's cheating with someone the same time as she's having sex with her husband, how can she know?)

[Heraclitus]

Originally posted by aneeshm


Only a woman knows who the real father of a child is, and thus her lying is far more serious than a man lying, which is pretty inconsequential by comparison.

I think it should be legal to do a genetic test of your kids to determine paternity without needing the wifes consent.

[Tuberski]

Originally posted by Omni Rex Draconis


About this issue and others I have many clues, Ben, and many of them point to you being an idiot.

I didn't "go off" on anyone. I don't know Whoha very well, but both of the Tuberski's are nice folk and I certainly didn't intend to wish them ill. For all I know they could have been trolling.

Nevertheless, my admonition still stands. This is not a trivial issue, and even an innocent man in those courtrooms can do precious little to defend himself.

I didn't think you were going off on me. All I was saying is that the guy had a lousy lawyer and he just rolled over and took everything his ex-wife did to him.

The Mrs. and I don't have children together and she's not the vindictive type and we aren't going to split, so your advice, while prudent, is unnecessary.

ACK!

[Omni Rex Draconis]

Originally posted by Whoha
I said if he hadn't been married then he wouldn't have been as brutally clobbered. And further, there are areas with judges that aren't total wastes of space like this one.

Agreed, although tort law is also in dire need of reform (a certain bug-in-a-bottle story comes to mind).

Yes, a married man has no options. Most, if not all, states have a law that says the husband of the child's mother is the de facto father. Only four states - -- Louisiana, Colorado, Iowa, and Ohio -- have recently allowed the use of DNA tests to dispute a previously acknowledged paternity.

If you are single, you have to be quick. Consider the case of Bert Riddick:

Ten years ago, Riddick was erroneously named by an ex-girlfriend as the father of her child. By the time Riddick realized what had occurred, the statute of limitations for challenging paternity had passed. Riddick, his wife and their three children have fallen from the middle class to homelessness because he is forced to pay $1,400 a month in child support and arrearages. Like many paternity fraud victims, Riddick has never even met the child he is supporting...
glennsacks.com/blog/?p=871

So the advice would be to keep a year long tab on every girl you sleep with, lest she skip town and have a baby you will pay for but never see? And if you do have a child in wedlock, be prepared to secretly send a cheek swab off to the lab right away?

Originally posted by TuberskiThe Mrs. and I don't have children together and she's not the vindictive type and we aren't going to split, so your advice, while prudent, is unnecessary.

A good woman is worth her weight in gold. It is easier to invest in a solid relationship with a healthy woman, then it is to follow the (rhetorical) advice I just gave above.


So, Ben, it appears you are the first and only one that took umbrage at my debating style. Rest assured that I will apologize to anyone that I may inadvertently offend, but in your case it is entirely on purpose.

[chequita guevara]

No capitalist system will ever get get rid of fraud and idiocy.

[Ben Kenobi]

So, Ben, it appears you are the first and only one that took umbrage at my debating style. Rest assured that I will apologize to anyone that I may inadvertently offend, but in your case it is entirely on purpose.

Umbrage?

First off, I wholeheartedly agree with you that the best thing is to find a good woman. I can't argue with that since I said it in my first post here in the thread. Preventative medicine as it were.

Secondly, I could give two figs about your debating style, it was what you said to Tuberski that bothered me. He's been very diplomatic. You would do well to listen to him. You seem to assume he knows nothing about this topic.

[Felch]

Originally posted by chegitz guevara
No ... system will ever get get rid of fraud and idiocy.

True

[Omni Rex Draconis]

Originally posted by Ben Kenobi
You would do well to listen to him.

Obviously I did, Ben, as the post was addressed to him.

Originally posted by Ben Kenobi
You seem to assume he knows nothing about this topic.

Still do. Aside from forgiving my rather pointed criticism, he only restated his position without any further elaboration on how he comes to that conclusion.

I will continue to listen to him; it is just you I can't hear...la,la,la.

[Omni Rex Draconis]

Originally posted by chegitz guevara
No capitalist system will ever get get rid of fraud and idiocy.

Yeah, Che, what's up? A free shot at capitalism, or is there some theory of government you have that gets rid of frauds and idiots? I would love to know about it, if so.

(Aside from a fascist state that just rounds them up and shoots them, of course.)

[Whoha]

Originally posted by Omni Rex Draconis

Yes, a married man has no options. Most, if not all, states have a law that says the husband of the child's mother is the de facto father. Only four states - -- Louisiana, Colorado, Iowa, and Ohio -- have recently allowed the use of DNA tests to dispute a previously acknowledged paternity.

Yes, this is english common law, as I mentioned earlier in the thread. In addition to the other piece of common law that prevented this nonsense.

So the advice would be to keep a year long tab on every girl you sleep with, lest she skip town and have a baby you will pay for but never see? And if you do have a child in wedlock, be prepared to secretly send a cheek swab off to the lab right away?

When she comes in to the court make her prove with a paternity test that the child is yours, yes. Fight, don't just accept it.